This is a discussion on When is a gun considered "Loaded"? within the Basic Gun Handling & Safety forums, part of the General Firearm Discussion category; IF I wanted to keep the wife and acquiesse to her demand on the no loaded gun, I might would keep the mag loaded OUT ...
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IF I wanted to keep the wife and acquiesse to her demand on the no loaded gun, I might would keep the mag loaded OUT of the weapon (but very near it) and keep the slide locked open on the gun. Slam the mag in hard enough and the slide will close chambering the round in one motion. Quicker than racking the slide.
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I don't know these people at all. Kid status or the dynamics of their relationship.
We started out talking about safes, and somehow got on this subject.
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Keep the gun loaded...unload the wife!
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what ret said!Originally Posted by retsupt99
Keep the gun loaded...unload the wife!
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The wife is not _incorrect_.
Several states have the exact same position per their own laws (See NY as first to come to mind).
Further she my have been taught same vis a vis an older school NRA associated instructor; Such as say directly or as told by a relative who was taught same by an older school NRA instructor.
Her view is not at all unusual.
The husbands bigger problems though do not lie with his wife's views toward what 'loaded' means as related to a firearm.
IMHO winning that argument is a Pyrrhic victory for him, or anyone.
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That would certainly not be the case with all semi-automatic handguns & that is not what would be considered to be a properly functioning firearm & so it's best not to develop a self defense regimen based on or around an idiosyncratic firearm function defect.
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I would not call it a defect as I can make most properly functioning autos function in that manner.
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I can almost guarntee you that this is more about control like another poster has alreay said, If the firearm is kept unaccessible to children or visitors to the residence it is really not a problem unless it is made to be one which is probably the case here. I got rid of a problem I had like that years ago and I am glad I did "Good Luck".
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I kept all ammo locked and had the only key.... I didn't want a loaded gun around my wife. She's an Ex now. Now, all guns are loaded = 1 in the chamber ready to go.
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A gun is unloaded if the action is open, chamber empty, magazine out. However, I would never tell his wife that ;).
The gun is loaded after even one drink.
Too tired to look up FL definition of a loaded firearm, but the range I use goes by loaded mag in gun equals loaded gun. Their rules; I abide.
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The husband in my opinion for the sake of their argument is right.
A gun with no round in the chamber is nothing more then an expensive paper weight.
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I would suggest that if one cannot fire the gun by actuating the gun's mechanicals as normal, then it's unloaded. Meaning, if pulling the trigger, pulling the hammer then the trigger, or racking the slide then pulling the trigger all result in not firing the gun due to no ammunition being able to be fed into a chamber, then it's unloaded. Which pretty much means: no ammunition attached to the gun in any manner (ie, sitting inside an attached/inserted magazine despite not being chambered). If someone must go elsewhere to get the ammunition (ie, across the room or into the drawer), then it's decidedly unloaded.
Sounds like one of them was getting into fine-slicing of things, for agument's sake. Reality is, with ammunition in the gun, it's child's play to fire it. And that's the crux of the argument against and the fear of having ammo in such proximity.
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This is what I was taught:
All firearms are considered loaded ALWAYS, never accept a firearm unless the action is open or the cylinder out. Never hand a firearm without first performing a safety check on it , remove ammo, pull slide open etc. etc.
Here a quote:
" Four Rules introduced by Colonel Jeff Cooper, which are:
- All guns are always loaded.
- Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
- Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
- Be sure of your target and what is beyond it."
Go with the glow
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Like everything else related to gun laws it all depends on your location. In NY or NJ the gun is considered loaded even if the mag is not in the gun but is easily accessible, crazy it is but that is how the laws in those places look at it
Last edited by apvbguy; May 20th, 2011 at 12:35 PM.
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