You didn't mention it to the clerk right then and there?
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We've all seen the videos of the gun shows where the newbie potential customers have no clue about safety and nobody does anything about it and how it gives a really bad impression. Well, last Saturday, I was in a local gun store waiting to be helped. While waiting, I saw more than one individual, who while examining a display model actually pointed it at the store clerk and pull the trigger. I was absolutely floored. I realize that in a very crowded store it can be difficult to check out the weapon from all angles and not have the barrel point in a less than ideal direction, but to deliberately point it at them and pull the trigger is a whole different level. The models are supposed to be unloaded, but it would be really easy for someone to pull a bullet from their pocket. As the clerks would routinely turn their backs to the customers, this could happen and even go unnoticed.
One of these individuals, actually bought said weapon and I kept wondering how did they get a permit that didn't cover these absolute basics. Then I saw the guy submit a "purchase" permit, which requires $5 and depending on your county a wait of up to 5 business days to verify that you have a clean criminal record. No training required. That much was apparent.
During the visit, I experienced extremely poor customer service and yesterday I wrote a letter to the store owner complaining about this, however, I also pointed out the blatant lack of safety allowed in the store an how unacceptable i thought it was.
You didn't mention it to the clerk right then and there?
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I have no tolerance for that sort of goat rodeo. If the owner is fine with people waving guns around in their place of business, that's up to them. But me - I'm outta there.
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No, I didn't mention it right then and there. I thought about doing so, but didn't. As I mentioned, the service I was receiving from this salesman was horrendous to begin with. This was not my first time in that store and my past experience was both outstanding and absent this type of "safety goat rodeo". I had no doubt that if I were to say something then that I would have been ignored at best and more likely belittled. Both the service and the non-safe environment contributed to my decision to leave without making a purchase and to complain to the owner in writing.
Edit: This experience is also causing my to rethink my position on the wisdom of N.C.'s pistol permit program. Clearly, guns in the hands of idiots without any sort of training and education is a deadly accident waiting to happen. In the majority of the cases, one does not get behind the wheel of a car without some training. Should wielding another form of lethal weapon be different?
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Thankfully the vast majority of "idiots" have managed to go through their lives not negligently shooting someone despite their not completing a safety class to exercise a constitutional right. I'll take one of those classes right after the Feds start mandating journalism permits.
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Trigger guards would have helped in that situation. I personally hate them, but here is a great arguement for them. My local store has them and they also lock up all the knives so you can only see them. Apparently, at another of their stores, someone opened the knife container and cut his girlfriend. It is these acts of stupidity that ruin it for the rest of us. I'm loyal to them still because they are close by and have the best prices in town.
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I am an ardent supporter of 2A right and concealed carry, which I think is already way too restricted in many states. However, actions like the one I witnessed makes me question to the wisdom of issuing a permit to own a deadly weapon without at least a modicum of training. This same idiot may be my or your next door neighbor who also may not know any better than to point it in the direction of my or your bedroom while pulling the trigger on a gun he thinks is empty but because nobody ever taught him how to handle it racked the slide and then dropped the magazine and never thought to check the chamber.
I am not advocating restricting their "constitutional right", just starting to wonder if whether or not some basic criteria should be met by those who chose to exercise it.
Fortunately, my local gunshops practice good safety and advise customers who do not. I actually witnessed them asking a customer to leave because he repeatedly swept the store and pointed a weapon unsafely after being told about it. They told him that when he learned safe gun handling, he was welcome to return.
There was one local shop I frequent that one of the employees wasn't practicing good muzzle control. I talked with the store owner descretely and he took care of it. No more problems.
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It's unfortunate, but as they say....You can't fix stupid!
Don't get me wrong....I'm all for safety training, but once someone leaves the training course, it won't stop them form being stupid.
The clerk (or owner) should have been notified immediately, and if they were at all interested in the safety of their responsible customers, escorted the idiot out of the store with instructions to never come back!
I woulda said "EXCUSE ME ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL HIM"I would probably get the "NO" response,to which I would reply then why are you pointing a gun at him and pulling the trigger
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Yeah, last time I was at my LGS, I was walking down the aisle near the gun counter. I saw the clerk pull a gun from the showcase, check it, open action, then hand the pistol to a customer. He promptly racked the slide, turned, and pointed the gun straight at me. If I hadn't seen the clerk clear and lock open the slide, I would have had the business end of my Glock on him. Idiot! I was in a hurry or I would have given him an earful.
Over the last week, I have discussed this store with two (gun) people that live in the area and have been to that store. When I mentioned what happened, both of them know the clerk of whom I spoke and recounted similar bad experiences at the store, especially the part about being made to feel like you are an inconvenience. The more time I have had to think about this situation, as well as discuss it with the SO, the more I am coming to the opinion that we probably just won't go back, or at least avoid it in preference for someplace else. There is plenty of competition out there.
Dukalmighty's comment also brings up a good point about karma and the concept of what goes around, comes around. In the situation where the clerk handed someone a weapon and then turned his back, and said customer pointed it at the clerk and pulled the trigger, I kept my mouth shut. Right or wrong, given the way I was being treated, I felt no desire to interject myself into a situation that would likely earn me ridicule. If the clerk had a better attitude and treated me with respect, I may have felt more compelled to look out for his interests. If one is going to act like a Neanderthal, don't be surprised when something bad happens. As Sixto says, "win stupid prizes".
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