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    Hopefully Deputy Smith will lose his S.L.E.D. Certification as a CWP instructor. If he can't remember:

    1. A gun is ALWAYS LOADED.
    2. Keep your finger OFF THE TRIGGER until ready to shoot.
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    In my home state there are 15 hours of required training. Most of that is in the classroom.

    My first CCW class was held by a guy in his home. He carried a large .44 revolver IWB, empty while he instructed. During the classroom time he took the gun out and put it back in the holster several times to demonstrate various things. Each and every time, he opened the cylinder and checked it as soon as it came out of the holster.

    He did this not only as his own habit, but to stress the importance of verification EACH and EVERY time he took it out. We were not to assume that since there was no way he had loaded it in front of us without our noticing, that it would still be unloaded the next time he took it out.

    It was a very, very good teaching method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Sgt View Post
    Rule #1: Every weapon is ALWAYS loaded...
    Yup failure of rule #1, sounds like the woman is going to be alright though
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    I imagine SLED will have to re-evaluate its criteria for issuing instructors certification but we don't know if the Deputy involved was an instructor or just helping an instructor. And its unclear who actually had who's hand on the trigger at this point or at the point it was pulled. He was assisting her with her grip. And she had a loaded gun in a stage where it should not have been loaded. Lesson learned, not everyone who carries a gun for a living is a good teacher. People who have learned to teach should be teaching. Not every Deputy should jump on the bandwagon to be a CWP instructor thinking it will be a good idea to help him/her out of his/her financial straights as there is a lot to lose if something goes wrong. You will be working with novices and things will happen. I know they are not paid well enough for what they do but there are some "extra duties" that are tempting and should be resisted.

    As CWP applications rise there will be more of these accidents occur. More novice instructors will be coming in contact with more novice gun owners. And the odds are these things will happen. We must strive to minimize them to protect our own rights against some sort of political backlash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tactilame View Post
    Hopefully they'll take at least one thing from the experience: the safety rules apply to EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY the experienced and the people teaching them.
    Fixed.

    As an instructor, one of my responsibilities is to always set a good example.
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    Two rules broken simultaneously signals a tragedy:

    Poor muzzle discipline; Failure to protect the trigger.

    A hot range is not the place to learn the grip.

    You have to assume everyone you meet is carrying, and every gun is loaded.
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    Out of all the rules for safe gun handling, the muzzle rule ought to be THE most respected. That way, if one gets loose with one of the other rules, damage is kept to a minimum.

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    Angry

    He gets No free pass in my book : (
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    Any RSO should know how to handle this situation...Come on.
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    Sheriff Wright said the instructor was unaware the pistol was loaded and accidentally shot Smith in the arm and into her side.

    No excuses...
    They say that he was VERY experienced...in what?
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    You may recall that Sheriff Wright was the outspoken proponent of women getting thier CWP recently made national news.

    He also is quoted "Sheriff Wright said Smith should have checked the pistol and it was an unfortunate mistake but one he hopes everyone can learn from. He continues to stand behind his campaign for people to arm themselves and get a CWP."

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    a deputy....professional enough, yup. say no more.

    but i will ask ---what (little) went through his mind that in a class he has live ammo.
    let alone in a gun

    AND what in g-ds name possessed him to point a gun at someone?????

    the man's an embarrassment to to us and humanity in general.
    unforgivable
    i vote him to be on the Planet Channel as alligator bait
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    So what did you learn in your concealed carry class today......

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    Quote Originally Posted by claude clay View Post
    a deputy....professional enough, yup. say no more.

    but i will ask ---what (little) went through his mind that in a class he has live ammo.
    let alone in a gun


    AND what in g-ds name possessed him to point a gun at someone?????

    the man's an embarrassment to to us and humanity in general.
    unforgivable
    i vote him to be on the Planet Channel as alligator bait
    Smith was teaching a course at the Chesnee American Legion during the firing portion of the class.
    I'm afraid it would be hard to conduct the shooting portion of the class without live ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Hopefully Deputy Smith will lose his S.L.E.D. Certification as a CWP instructor. If he can't remember:

    1. A gun is ALWAYS LOADED.
    2. Keep your finger OFF THE TRIGGER until ready to shoot.
    Let's not forget:

    3. Never cover anything with the muzzle that you don't intend to destroy.

    He surely violated 3 of the 4 key safety rules, and probably the 4th also. He shouldn't be allowed to teach.

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