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CWP Instructor/Deputy accidentaly shoots student.

This is a discussion on CWP Instructor/Deputy accidentaly shoots student. within the Basic Gun Handling & Safety forums, part of the General Firearm Discussion category; Originally Posted by DocPMD Let's not forget: 3. Never cover anything with the muzzle that you don't intend to destroy. He surely violated 3 of ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocPMD View Post
    Let's not forget:

    3. Never cover anything with the muzzle that you don't intend to destroy.

    He surely violated 3 of the 4 key safety rules, and probably the 4th also. He shouldn't be allowed to teach.
    Doc, he violated all of them. You are right, he shouldn't be teaching anymore...
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    sorry but NO EXCUSES.............

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    Forgot a couple of the rules! It's going to be an expensive lesson!
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    Quote Originally Posted by paching View Post
    "IT FIRED A SHOT" it must have a mind of it's own..
    My exact thought.

    Nobody wants to make a mistake like this, & it's a shame that some are unfortunate enough to do so.
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    the very first thing in any chl class should be muzzle control and ensuring the guns aren't loaded... He should have checked the weapon before he did anything else and keep it pointed away from anything he didn't intend to shoot... if for nothing else courtesy.. Every gun I look to buy or handle 1st and foremost even if checked I recheck and never point it at anyone... accidensts happen but they are also all preventable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elk Hunter View Post
    So what did you learn in your concealed carry class today......
    Any idiot can be a firearms instructor...Sheriff or not.
    Why?? Because at the last second, the Police are minutes away.

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    Way too many people become complacent think they can do no wrong.

    Best thing my grandfather did was shoot a pumpkin for me and my cousins to understand there are no do overs------ only point a gun at what you intend to destroy!

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    Heh, I went to that same range last week. They make you sign a waiver of liability now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Hopefully Deputy Smith will lose his S.L.E.D. Certification as a CWP instructor. If he can't remember:

    1. A gun is ALWAYS LOADED.
    2. Keep your finger OFF THE TRIGGER until ready to shoot.
    Don't forget 3. Watch what you point the gun at...loaded or not. Don't point it at people (unless you intend to shoot them).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKsrule View Post
    Gonna play Devils Advocate here....

    My state ( Pennsylvania ) does NOT require certified training in order to obtain carry status.

    While I firmly believe ALL gunowners should learn gun safety and know the Law as well as how to USE their gun ,
    I DO NOT think the STATE should determine exactly how this is accomplished.

    I feel each INDIVIDUAL should demonstrate that they take responsibility for themselves.
    Military experience and or an NRA firearms -safety , or Hunters safety course possibly with a brief openbook test on state Law
    would make sense.

    NO 8 hour course can teach a complete novice how to SHOOT - Handle Firearms SAFELY - AND Know the Laws of Carrying.

    NO ONE INSTRUCTOR ( maybe working for $8/hr ) can be expected to have a comprehensive knowledge of all handguns ,be capable
    of training a large group of people AND be a Range Officer at the same time.

    NO Military or LE agency teaches it's members this way - WHY is it acceptable for Civilians who want to carry ???
    Interesting.. I don't have my CWP in PA yet.

    However, completely irresponsible. A few of my friends who got their CWP through a different instructor than I did have told me about huge classes (about 10 people +/-) with only one instructor and even taking them all down range at the same time.. I personally think that's just asking for trouble.
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    "Blue" guns have a place, particularly when teaching the introductory basics of safe handling.

    Condolences for all involved. It's a good, object lesson in how crucial it is to know what you've got in your hands (loaded, unloaded), and to realize there's good reason the four basic safety rules overlap and complement each other.
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    Through her forearm and tore up her intestines?

    Sounds like a .22 isn't a bad option for CC.

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    In my class the first thing they did was take your ammo that will be used later at the range and put a zip tie through your mag well so no one in the class could have a loaded gun.
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    Had a chill go through me on this. Vigilance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Hopefully Deputy Smith will lose his S.L.E.D. Certification as a CWP instructor. If he can't remember:

    1. A gun is ALWAYS LOADED.
    2. Keep your finger OFF THE TRIGGER until ready to shoot.

    3. Do not point, or let the gun point, at anything you are not willing to destroy.

    A gun is always pointing at something whether you intentionally are aiming it, or if you are just holding it.

    This instructor is incompetent. He treated the rules as things for other people to obey and not himself. He simultaneously broke 3 of the 4 basic rules that he himself had probably just stated minutes or hours prior to this "accident".

    This situation is particularly infuriating because it is exactly the kind of thing that makes people believe that guns are dangerous AND unpredictable. In other words, the outcome in a lot of people's minds is that if you have a gun around then at some point it might just go off and maybe kill you. And if a qualified instructor cannot tame the beast, then perhaps regular folk can't either??


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