Gun goes off at the Puyallup Gun Show yesterday

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    Gun goes off at the Puyallup Gun Show yesterday

    Went to the gun show to pick up a couple of holsters for the wife and me and while there among several hundred buyers and sellers, a gun goes off and the place went absolutely dead quiet. I think everyone was waiting for screams or something.

    A little background. The Washington Arms Collectors (WAC) run these shows monthly and are very careful that no one has any loaded weapons at the show and EVERY gun has a tie wrap through the barrel before even getting into the show. Of course this is not the rule for those new guns for sale by FFL's but certainly for those buyers that are carrying inside the show like me and the wife so we could try before buy holsters, etc...

    Seems a seller had a particular gun that a prospective buyer wanted and the seller handed his personal firearm forgetting that he had recently shown another potential buyer how he loaded a cartridge into the chamber. (Yes, even vendors personal firearms have to be tie wrapped.) Fortunately, the buyer pointed the gun at the ceiling and pulled the trigger firing off the round.

    No one was hurt, except maybe the vendor because he had his WAC license immediately taken away, his tables were cleared and he was out the door within 15 mins. The police ticketed the owner of the firearm and the prospective buyer was escorted out the building. Not sure if the buyer had his WAC license pulled or not. I know I would have because he never checked the firearm before pulling the trigger and the rules for the show are pretty intense on that kind of stuff.

    I would be surprised if he can get another vendors license to sell in these gun shows ever again since they are all run by WAC.
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    wow! I always double or triple check a firearm before dry firing it, even after the dealer shows me a clear chamber. Glad no one was hurt and that he had the sense to point the gun at the ceiling instead of into the crowd.
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    The gun show that we recently had in Aiken was pretty disturbing. There was no ND at ours, but there was plenty of opportunity.

    I won't go into detail with what I saw, but it was a goat-rodeo of poor safety procedures and out-right violations of gun show rules. There was one cop posted where you paid your entrance fee and that was it for adult supervision. It was truly disgraceful.
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    The buyer violated the first rule of gun safety: every gun is loaded. But at least he heeded the other rules.
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    The gun show seller should have known better, the breach should have had a strap on it

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    Rule #1- Treat every gun like it's always loaded.

    Anytime I am taking a look at a pistol at an LGS I always open it up and look in the cylinders or lock it open, inspect the chamber and drop the mag. Even if the salesman just did the same thing, I do it for my own curiousity (see if it's loaded and see how the gun functions) as well as to put the saleman more at ease that I know what I am doing. If there is a pistol with controls that I am not familiar with, I'm not afraid to ask the salesman a question either.
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    And people want to know why they can't carry a loaded gun in a gun show.If the Vendor made a living off selling guns at gunshows he just shot himself in the foot.
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    The seller is an idiot! First off he would have had to remove the zip tie to load the gun. That is a violation of the gun show rules. There is absolutely no reason to be loading a gun at a gun show. It's actually amazing though that there are not more of these incidents. Someone buys a gun at the show, walks over to another table and buys ammo for the gun. Of course he can't wait to see how to load it. Now you've got a rookie with a loaded gun he is not familar with walking around a gun show.

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    "Gun goes off.."

    If a gun were in the forest and no people were around, would it go off?
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    Even my 13 year old knows rule number one! When I added a 3.5# trigger connector to my Glock, he asked me if I thought it was better. I pulled the slide and checked the chamber (that I knew was empty), pointed in a safe direction and pulled the trigger, then handed it to him and said "try it, see what you think". I have always put my boys in such predicaments to see if I can 'catch' them in unsafe handling. He took the gun, pulled the slide, checked the chamber, the mag well and aimed in a safe direction and pulled the trigger. He tried it a couple more times then handed it back to me and said he liked it...I was proud. How does this happen at a gun show by professionals? The fact that the thing had no tie on it should have been an even bigger reminder.

    I have been to gun shops where they just pull a gun out of the case and hand it to people without checking. It makes me boil when I see it.

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    Joker did that @ the Mt. Clemens Gibralter GS last year.(was posted here)
    He was in Big Trouble Little China for sure.
    When you got a lot on your mind, Poop happens.
    I believe he(the dealer) inadverdantly brought the pistol loaded, was in his case, showed it to a buyer and bang.

    Then HE shot it as well.

    MOUNT CLEMENS, Mich. -- A gun went off Friday inside the Gibraltar Trade Center in Mount Clemens, injuring three people, the Macomb County Sheriff's Department said.

    Deputies said a customer was inspecting a gun that was on sale when it went off. A second shot was fired when the owner inspected the gun. Two women and a 10-year-old were scraped by fragments. They were treated and released.



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    Heads up people!!!!!!!! Booger Hook Off The Bang Switch
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    Booger Hook Off The Bang Switch
    Had to read that twice before it dawned on me... too funny!!!
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    I was in the gun department of the new Cabela's yesterday. One of the first things I saw was a guy at the counter with his finger on the trigger, sweeping everyone on his left side. I watched for a couple of minutes just to make sure the clerk was clearing the weapons before handing them to the customer. He was.

    It seems there is a conflict of interest between selling the gun and educating the customer about safe handling.

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    Our 9 year old grand daughter has been taught the lesson of treating every gun as if it were loaded and even if someone tells you it is unloaded....check it yourself immediately. Others are don't point it at people, dogs, cats, or anything that you wouldn't shoot. Also keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. DON'T TOUCH a gun unless supervised by my hubby. These are the beginnings of her training. Too bad someone didn't teach the guy holding the weapon at that gun show. That vender needs to be banned....that was a stupid move for both of them.
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    Oh cool, I didn't know this site had a thread on the WAC ND.
    I was there, at that show when it happened. I was on the other side of the building because when I walked in I chose to start at the back side. If I started at the front of the show like I usually do, I would have been near where the ND happened. After the shot, it was dead silent. Nobody panicked and the situation was handled wonderfully.

    Through local gun forums and what I heard from a Puyallup Police officer after the ND, the vendor was cited for "unlawful discharge". The gun was a Ruger LCP. He was showing a couple how long the trigger pull was. He dropped the magazine but didn't check the chamber. There aren't supposed to be any non-ziptied guns or loaded magazines at the show.

    Edit: This was the vendor's personal carry firearm. The vendor was a life member of WAC but is now banned for life.

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