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This is a discussion on I d i o t s ! within the Basic Gun Handling & Safety forums, part of the General Firearm Discussion category; Originally Posted by natticarry
A range and a store are two different things. I fully support and demand the staff at a range enforce good ...
June 29th, 2009 06:54 PM
^Absolutely...I was not trying to connect the two...that just came to mind hearing this story.
Originally Posted by natticarry
And personally, I don't think it's the seller's responsibility to ensure that the buyer has full working knowledge of safety mechanims/basic handling knowledge.
Unless, of course, a buyer specifically asks for help...
Some clown at home that ND's themselves/others? Well they need to look in a mirror for whom to blame...
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June 29th, 2009 06:54 PM
June 29th, 2009 07:09 PM
I knew what particular gun I wanted, found it at a shop. Asked the guy to see it, racked the slide, magazine in and out, looked it all over and bought the gun. Guy had no idea whether I knew about features of the gun or had any idea how to fire it.
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June 29th, 2009 07:44 PM
"That I cannot do."
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June 29th, 2009 07:54 PM
I have been shooting since I was a little kid, I still look over the manual when I buy a new gun. They don't print those things up just because they have a bunch of extra ink and paper sitting around. Unless you have been using and reading about that PARTICULAR firearm for years it is likely you can learn something by reading the manual...if only the field strip procedure.
What happened to create a world where people shoot themselves because they are too stupid to seek help when dealing with an unknown device that they know is dangerous? All they had to do is pick up the booklet and read.
There was probably even a sheet of paper on top or a sticker that says "READ MANUAL FIRST".
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June 29th, 2009 08:02 PM
Like GWRedDragon said, read the manual first....they could have asked before/when they bought the gun too. Who knows what their problem is, unsafe gun handling is one of them for sure, they are lucky that neither of them got killed.
On a side note, maybe I'm demented but this is kind of funny.......
June 29th, 2009 08:02 PM
Exactly, GWRedDragon :
Exactly. And it goes for manuals they give you when you buy cars and other stuff. You always learn something by reading the manual.
Originally Posted by GWRedDragon
June 29th, 2009 08:37 PM
Even if someone purchased a new gun, and even if they were unfamiliar with the workings of the weapon, why would they be messing around with it while loaded? Granted, I've brought a new gun home without being intimately familiar with every function, but I knew them by heart before it was ever loaded for the first time.
June 29th, 2009 11:03 PM
Wow,......that is the kind of stuff the "anti-gunners" and the media jump right on.
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June 29th, 2009 11:30 PM
Every visit to Gander Mountain, I see idiots sweeping the muzzle across the store while handling guns.I have seen this in gun shops also. My dad always told me, handle a gun like it is loaded,at all times.
June 29th, 2009 11:38 PM
I'm just thinking this is a great example of why gun stores should invest at least 15 minutes of educational time before they call the ATF and read off the form.
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June 29th, 2009 11:41 PM
Remember "Stupid is as Stupid does!"
Gump had it right!
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June 29th, 2009 11:54 PM
It would be nice if the NRA could put on some free gun safety classes, or the states to pick up the tab.
If may even get them new members.
Our Elementary school here does the Eddy Eagle through second grade, which is great.
June 29th, 2009 11:56 PM
Every new handgun comes with a manual.
Some people are just too stupid to read it FIRST.
Sadly, you can't open up some folks heads and pour brains in.
Some people are just totally brainless and moronic.
Nothing can be done about that.
They will know better next time.
June 30th, 2009 12:10 AM
the idea of a 15 minute safety instructions to buy a firearm is a bad idea for 2 reasons.
1.) Most of us already know this information and 15 minutes is frankly a waste of time especially since the manual of almost all firearms cover basic safety techniques which people already don't read. There are also many people who just like they won't read the manual will not listen to someone telling them the information and will give them the blank stare as they think about how cool their new gun purchase is.
2.) It is slippery slope plain and simple. What happens if they start giving a 15 minute safety class and people still manage to shoot themselves most likely for the above reason. Then someone says hey you should have to take a test. Then there will be arguments about length of test. After that doesn't work, then there will be 2 hours of instruction instead of 15 minutes and so on.
The whole point is if we treated every potentially dangerous product like people want to treat firearms we would never have time to do anything. I personally don't want 15 minute safety lectures every time I buy gasoline, saws, kitchen knives, lighters etc. There comes a point where it is the consumers responsibility to make sure they know how to safely use equipment and they accept any liability in the misuse of that equipment.
June 30th, 2009 12:21 AM
on a side note about ranges, I think the best range safety instructions I ever got was one line only, "keep your guns pointed down range and don't do anything stupid" Oddly enough I think that is the one place I have never seen anyone violate safety rules.