AR-7 or 10/22 Takedown for Pack Rifle
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December 31st, 2013 09:16 AM
AR-7 or 10/22 Takedown for Pack Rifle
I ended up purchasing a 3 day pack instead of a day pack, so now I have room for something I have wanted to get for my pack for quite some time, a rifle. I think the 10/22 is a much better rifle, but it takes up a lot of room, whereas the AR-7 seems to be a lower-quality rifle, but is much smaller. Then, there is the cost factor too. The 10/22 takedown is around $400 in my area, but the AR-7 can be had for $230.
Do you have a rifle in your pack, and, if so, which rifle, and why?
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December 31st, 2013 09:16 AM
December 31st, 2013 09:25 AM
There's a take down in my future. Dependability is ..... Well, it's good.
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December 31st, 2013 09:30 AM
Between the two, I'd go with the Ruger. All semi-autos are magazine dependent as everyone knows, but the AR-7 is exceptionally so, the feed ramp is part of the magazine. AR-7s have always been ammunition sensitive, they've always been hit and miss with reliability, it's one of the reasons it's had 5 different manufacturers over the years.
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December 31st, 2013 12:59 PM
get the 10/22
while the ar7 is a compact design is has proven to be finicky, personally i wouldn't want finicky in the event of its use.
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December 31st, 2013 01:10 PM
The only up side the the ar7 is that is very easy to take aprt and fix and the new henery ones are pretty darn good . Plus it does float . But smaller mag size ( they make 25 rounder but they are hard to find) .. The takedown is good too esp the tactial one if you have a legal silencer ..
But to me the ar7 does take down futher . It looks vaugle gunish when taken down but does not say I am a gun .
December 31st, 2013 01:16 PM
I have an AR7,always been 100% reliable shooting federal 550 bulk box ammo,mjay have to try some other brands since ammo is kinda hard to get and I've had to buy what is available,My Rugers 10/22's have always been ammo finicky they don't like remington but will eat federal bulk 550 pack like candy
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December 31st, 2013 02:55 PM
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Last the AR7
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December 31st, 2013 03:15 PM
The newest versions of the AR-7 are just fine. They work. I have one of the latest versions and it's built really well for what it is.
The AR-7 started out life as a Stoner design firearm many moons ago. I think that Henry finally has the bugs worked out of it with the higher quality factory magazines.
A fairly inexpensive decently small package SHTF rim-fire and I do not think I wasted money by purchasing it.
I actually bought mine "spur of the moment" when I went to my local gun store and they didn't have the firearm that I went there looking for. I saw that they had some spanky new AR-7s in and I bought one.
I did not go out looking for one...it just kinda fell into my lap at the gun shop.
Mostly just because I always wanted to play with one.
I am not sorry that I bought it but, that does not change the fact that the Ruger Take Down is a better rifle in some ways.
Here are the down sides and up-sides of the AR-7.
Very few very simple internals. The barrel is SUPER Lightweight so that sort of cancels out or negates the receiver weight.
The receiver is a bit heavier than it needs to be for .22 LR. It is a Zinc alloy AKA not Steel or Aluminum but NOT typical cheap "pot metal" either and it is a super high quality casting - just on the heavy side for a .22 LR.
I would have like it more if the receiver was Aluminum only because it would have been lighter and LIGHTER is always good with a Bug Out rifle.
The AR-7 will float but, it is not 100% waterproof. you could easily make it completely waterproof by running a strip of electrical tape around the butt-cap - but, if you don't do that some water will manage to get in. It IS waterproof enough in that if it gets dumped in the drink you'll have PLENTY of time to "fish it out" before it sinks.
Assembly and dis-assembly is a true breeze. No problems with that at all.
If you put an optic on the rifle then it will not stow back into the stock. So you will need to pack your optic separately.
I was not having ANY reliability issues with mine at all. It does prefer round nose higher velocity .22 ammo which is fine. Mine handled some of the odder shaped stuff pretty well also.
The stock seems FAT and it is but, it turned out tho be not the problem that I though it would be and the rifle handles well.
Another down and up side is that the rifle sure does pack easy but there is no way to sling it once it is in its assembled state. At least not as supplied by the factory but there IS an aftermarket sling system available for it on Ebay so plan on spending another 18 bucks or there about.
You could probably even add a screw in sling swivel into the stock if you put some Silicone sealant on the threads before you screwed it in - that would work and you could quickly para-cord tie the other end to the barrel once the rifle was assembled.
The trigger is surprisingly good and the sights are somewhat atypical but, adequate and the rifle is (in general) more accurate than it needs to be to put small game in the pot.
Overall I like it but, there is no doubt that the Ruger is a better all around rifle but, as mentioned above it is more expensive.
Either will do the job. There are 10 round magazines readily available for the Henry and I bought a few of those just to have them but, you could get by with the 2 (8 Rounds) furnished with the rifle if you just want it as a SHTF game getter.
So...there you have it. I think the Ruger Take Down would be a better investment but, the Henry will work if money is an issue.
If both were sitting on a table and I won a contest and somebody said pick one or the other...naturally I would choose the Ruger but, that does not alter the fact that you could get by just fine with the Henry stuffed into the pack.
Another thing that I wish Henry would do is that there is a nice hollow unused area inside the stock - it's sad that they couldn't somehow utilize that space to store a small box or two of .22 LR ammo - but, they didn't so...too bad!
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December 31st, 2013 04:47 PM
December 31st, 2013 06:39 PM
I grew up (or at least wanted) an AR-7. Then I came here and saw Glockman's 10/22 and changed my mind. It's not done but here's my Christmas present to myself. I'm thinking of picking up a UTG Bug Blaster 3x9x32 scope but am open to suggestions.
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December 31st, 2013 08:17 PM
December 31st, 2013 08:20 PM
I'd pick the ruger. Love the one I have and will be getting the game down asap. The bag it comes with could be your 3 day bag though I am not sure on the specs. Personal choice, completely.
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December 31st, 2013 09:30 PM
The Ruger is the superior platform in every aspect.
Shooting the AR7 finds much lacking. The stock is big and the barrel is light. Meaning that it is very hard to hold on target at extended ranges.
The aftermarket magazine selection is slim to none. As for customizing it, forget it.
The Ruger on the other hand is just about infinitely customizable and the after market parts can be found every where. Accuracy is much better and its a better platform to use a scope on.
The biggest thing here is shootability. Try them both and you'll lay that AR7 down and walk off with the Ruger.
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December 31st, 2013 09:58 PM
I've got the 10/22 takedown and with a BX-25 mag it's one great reliable package.
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December 31st, 2013 10:12 PM
Saw the AR-7 and wanted one until I picked up the 10/22 Takedown. I walked out with the Ruger and love it!
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