Preparedness priorities?

Preparedness priorities?

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    Preparedness priorities?

    I've started reading more and decided I need to get more organized on disaster prep.
    I bolded my questions to make it easier.
    We currently car camp with no difficulties so we have no problems living for a couple weeks on what we pack but that obviously requires time to shop for food.
    We have 2x 5 gal food buckets, 2x pre packed 'survival' packs from somewhere, few months worth of frozen and canned food in the garage, generator, on well water and septic, propane to the house for cooking that would last us a year before it gets filled every quarter. Heating is a mild concern but if the SHTF, I'd convert our gas fireplace to a wood stove in a heartbeat.
    Hunkering down would be passable, I think.
    I could get away with asking for a 10/22 but probably to an AR to add to for better defense. We are also on 3.5 acres, have 12 chickens and will probably start raising other livestock next year. We'd prefer to hunker down so prepping to do so I think is priority 1. Anything else to help with that?
    I work from home to GHB is less worth it to me but if my wife was out, I'd probably have to track her down and escort her home. She would usually be close enough for hardened shortwave, right? Ge her a GHB for sure and maybe one for me to fetch her.
    I'd be concerned about a BOB last but I would certainly like to get all my crap together in a more organized fashion.
    Anybody have a good place to start?
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    Solar, not for electricity, but for heating, hot water, solar distillation for cleaning water and a solar cooker. Why? The sun comes out most days, so it comes to you and saves your other energy resources.

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    Good call. We get nasty wind out her too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan.w.daugherty View Post
    Good call. We get nasty wind out her too.
    The nice thing about solar is it is passive and doesn't really take any maintenance or work after you create it. Wind you need to maintain, and parts will wear out that you will need to replace.

    The one thing that wind would be really nice for would be power for a machine shop of sorts. If you had the machine shop, you can make replacement parts for the wind power. Without it, you would be relying on something that over time you could not repair.

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    Prepare for the most likely first then go from there, weather is the most likely. What kind of sever weather do you have around your parts? Sounds like you have some food, water and heat. Do you have fuel to run the generator? Can you get water from your well with no powder? Can the generator be used to pump water? What is your back up to the generator because we all know how well they like to work when needed? How about a chain saw to clear wind damaged trees or parts of the house? Defiantly need more food that doesn't require refrigeration.

    If you are just starting out on the firearm adventure I would get a .22 and shotgun as these can be used for small game hunting and protection. A good pistol for carrying while tending to issues around the house would be good. After the food, shelter and heat issues are good to go then by all means spend money on what ever firearm floats your boat.

    You talk about maybe needing to retrieve your wife. Do you have means to do this? An ATV is hard to beat when the roads are littered with debris from a wind storm.

    Firearms and other gear is cool to buy and a lot funner to fondle then a can of corn but when it comes down to all but the worst possible SHTF the can of corn will be more beneficial then the $1000 AR-15
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    Depends on how many are willing to kill you for that can of corn- without defense you and the can of corn won't last anytime at all.........

    As hard as it is to get .22 ammo I'd stay far away from that as a "must have" firearm (IMO at least) you can get small game with snares and IF you're good at fishing in your area I'd reckon there is some good fishing to be had . A pistol is great, but IF you can only get one at a time I'd go with shotgun or semi-auto rifle , you can do more that is needed - though concealing is not easy at all (best to have the pistol also IF possible - just not better to only have a pistol IMO)

    While "bugging in" makes a great deal of sense - it comes with it's own set of problems and issues - others KNOW where you live- you will be found- running a generator means folks KNOW you have resources they do not have and the "THEY" folks also know where to find you IF they decide you're "better off" (by force) placing you into a FEMA camp (.Gov likes to "help" you know)
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    something you don't se eon a lot of prep lists is breathing masks. CBRN filters are great, but expensive and rare. this will filter everything but CRN, and will even filter a lot of B's.
    3M 6800 Full-Face Respirator - Medium H-1471 - Uline
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    fire smoke, tear gas, fire ash, most bacteria and some viruses, a lot of "chemicals" though not chemical weapons... these can save your life if simply by letting you escape a burning structure w/out asphyxiating.
    speaking of...do you have fire extuingishers? plural?

    Medical supplies. - hemostatic gauze. occlusion bandages. miles of gauze. bandages and anti-septics. pills. someone gets a chest cold and develops pneumonia, they die. so you need mucinex. do you have sanitation covered? someone not washing their hands after going potty could kill a whole family. You can buy fish anitbiotics online, for cheap, that are indentical to the ones from pharmacies, made in the same factories... do your own research before buying. GET A NURSES DRUG GUIDE .. Cheap used one from amazon. watch "patriot nurse" and maybe even some "maine prepper" on youtube.

    you say you're getting livestock for food, cool, how do you feed them?

    do you have a network you can build? strength in numbers...

    break your preps into groups. in both mine and my wifes cars are GHB's.

    BOB's are 90% built.

    everything else is in wood chest or bags, in groups that can quickly build the remaing 10% of the bob's, or be thrown in cars quickly. a closest or two or a garage full of "stuff" is good and all, but not very mobile or accessible.

    solar of faraday type battery-less flashlights.

    that's a good start... lol
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    As bad as it sounds I alwasy suggest Boday armor ...People find out you have food etc when the gov is gone ...


    I personal lik AK ... People know what they are and how nasty they are ... They are for the most part sturdy guns and the ammo can still be found in sealed cans that last 20 years or more till the powede starts to go ... Plus in a pinch you can hunt with a ak ( hey it is a 30-30 round nearly ...)...

    Also a handgun small enough to hide on your person would be good ... I like a wheel gun you can stick in your pocket for the the how you doing walks ...


    And yeah second on med supplies and animal food and water big things to think about


    Also survial guids even basic gov books if it trully goes dark you may be your own law and goverement ... Hard copies of everthing or prints out in maybe a ammo can or the like ...


    What about transport ... Maybe a old clunker diesels that can run any fuel up to moonshine ... Dont foreget treaedet gas will go bad in a year max ... How about getting gas .. You have a siphion know which cars you can siphiopn or have the tools to get to the underground tanks ...


    Dont foreget non gmo seeds and stuff to go long term ...


    Also idoine is never a bad idea ... Gas mask ( not the old surplus crap ) are good too ..


    Also where do you live is key dont forget how far fallout etc can drift I mean 50 + mile safe distant in some case
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    More food and water and keep a good working inventory of what you have. Do you have a means to get water if you have no power to your well pump. It might be harder to convert your gas stove back to wood burning, be sure you really look into this.

    For me there are so many things that are more important than firearms. A good .22 rifle, shotgun. medium bore rifle (everything from a .30-30 to an AK) and a decent pistol will do for a start.

    I would suggest that you read Crisis Preparedness Handbook: A Comprehensive Guide to Home Storage and Physical Survival and that you buy and read When Disaster Strikes: A Comprehensive Guide for Emergency Planning and Crisis Survival
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    Priority 1: start any situation in the best health possible. Take a pound off my gut before I worry about a pound in my BOB.

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    Basic survival considerations do not really change all that much within the same geographical area. The first thing I suggest to people is to forget about all the semantics over GHB BOB INCHB and the like. Basic survival needs are answered in the same fashion no matter if you are going home, bugging out or never coming home. The mobile element to your preps is just a [3 day] sack of stuff, its not deeper than that. Its availability is important, not what you call it.

    Start small, if you can mitigate the following threats for 30/60/90 days , you will be in a much better position that those who cannot:

    1. Water/ maintaining proper hydration
    a. Carrying/ Storing and Cleansing of water

    2. Protection from the elements
    a. proper clothing for the season
    b. Adequate Shelter

    3. Fire making
    4. First Aid
    5. Self Defense
    6. Food

    7. Utility needs
    a. cutting
    b. cordage
    c. digging
    d. Light and Lamps
    e. Radio receiving and Comms
    f. batteries / gen power
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    On food: I have found that dehydrated eggs and beef chunks from honeyville foods are a great bargin. I also store plenty of dried fruit, steel cut oats, nuts, canned kippered herring and peanut butter to round it all out. I try to keep it simple and store items that I know I will eat and stomach well.

    On firearms/ammo: I certainly believe that a firearm(s) can be a very important part of any survival system and a person should have means to protect himself but I am not inclined to believe that my survival during a disaster in the USA will hinge on my participation in sustained gun battles. If a person wants to put on a chest rig and run up and down the street, I guess they can but I doubt that is the most prudent course to take in the middle of a disaster.

    During the rolling blackouts in the South back in 2011 I had a few distinct failures over a totally dark [11 days] and I will share them:

    1. I needed more fuel for vehicles, I actually ran out
    2. I needed a better way to receive local news/info
    3. I needed more batteries for lamps and flashlights
    4. I needed a solar charger to my cell phone
    5. I needed a much bigger/portable cooler and ice on hand ( $400 of frozen food spoiled quickly)
    6. I needed a back up to my gas grill after it was stolen a few night into the event
    7. I needed help keeping watch at night with all the roaming strangers who violated the gov imposed curfew

    I have since answered those needs but it was a wake up call. I had thought I was ready and had all based covered but clearly, I didnt.
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    To add on to Fizban's excellent post, I'd sit down and do a simple risk assessment of what your potential risks/dangers are and order them from "most likely" to "least likely" with their potential effect.

    It seems there's an awful lot of people preparing for the "zombie apocalypse" with ammo, weapons, NBC gear etc, (least likely, but disastrous), but are completely unprepared for a layoff (likely) or a medical issue (possible) because they spent what should have been an emergency fund on spam cans of 7.62x54. Every geographical area has it's known potential weather disasters which range from an annoyance to deadly, they aren't "theoretical" "may happen" if all the planets align wrong events like complete economic collapse or UN invasion, localized weather disasters can and do happen all the time.

    I thinks it's just that guns and gear are cool, emergency funds and insurance policies aren't. Just not many threads on "look at my cool survival chainsaw" that I plan on using when the windstorm blows down trees in my driveway. Also I'm on quite a few boards where folks talk about their own personal SHTF type event, and to me at least a good portion could have been covered by a decent emergency fund. You also don't see much training education listed, but here we work with cutting tools, chainsaws, and the tractor, we're a good 20-30 minutes away from somebody else coming to "stop the bleeding". Just a matter of time before one of us gets hurt, so we took some 1st aid training.

    Fizban's example is excellent as it gives focus, for me here in KS the "most likely":

    1. Job loss (Emergency Fund: Check)
    2. Medical issue (Insurance: Check)
    3. Accident Injury on "the farm" (1st Aid kit & Training: Check)
    4. Tornadoes, not likely, but disastrous if hit by one (Concrete safe room: Check) (Safe room also is a great place to store all the weapons and ammo spam cans in case I'm wrong about #8.
    5. Ice Storms, likely, not usually life threatening (20KW Standby generator: Check)
    6. Outliving my retirement Savings (Working on it)
    7. Economic Collapse, not likely, but I'm sitting on 80 acres, a good portion of which is tillable, working on the homesteading skills.
    8. Zombie Apocalypse, extremely not likely and I'll worry about it after I learn how to raise chickens and keep the %^&& bunnies out of the garden.

    I focus on the most likely and work my way backwards towards the unlikely.

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    Dan, I always recommend people make 2 lists.

    The first list is the "short" list of absolutely necessary things to have.

    The 2nd list is the "long" list of things that would be nice to have, but not necessary for survival.

    This is how I prioritized my stuff, and I made an inventory spreadsheet.

    There's no better time to get started than now.

    Good luck.
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    all great stuff FIZBAN!!

    I would disagree about different bags all being "3 day packs". It won't take me 3 days to get home from work. I don't need shelter or fire or anymore food than a power bar or two. a change of clothes and footwear(seasonal). a few liters of water. safety sunglasses. gloves. knee pads. and... a folding stock mini-14 with about 4 mags. all locked in the trunk of my rustbucket beater I highly doubt anyone is going to steal. I live about 9miles from my work. my wifes kit is similar. no long gun, she just has her EDC pistol. I can't carry my gun at work so the pistol stays home when I work and I only have my rifle in my trunk. I do want to add walkie talkies

    a bug OUT "bag" is totally different. 3 days or forever bugging out is 4 adults and two toddlers for my house. and are we bugging out of a post tornado shredded landscape, perhaps my home was partially or fully destroyed and some or all of my preps were lost(why some backups are in my shop and maybe I just thought why some more preps should be in cars..) or is it a frozen cold snap and power's been out and we decide to go stay at a relatives, i'll be bringing a lot of supplies that almost bugging out in that case... bugging out ON FOOT is almost not a viable option for me with my twin toddlers. to me bugging out is always going to be situation specific; can you use a car or are you on foot? are you bugging out in a hostile environment or being "evacuated" or simply leaving? what season is it? do you have a destination or not? where is that destination and what environment are expecting when you get there? all of this will drastically alter a bug out and what gear gets thrown in. we own 3 cars and I could overfill all 3 with all the stuff I already have and I want more stuff so "bring it all" isn't an option unless I can get a bus or a dump truck(and in a zombie apocalypse I can do just that). but I doubt the national guard would appreciate me stealing a city bus in an evac. so... and if they show up and tell you have an hour to leave.... you got a car so you're not foot(worst case is on foot) but what precious articles do you grab in one hour? here organization helps. I can get my major preps in our two 4WD vehicles in maybe 15 minutes. but if we're being evacuated and our home could be destroyed, clothes, valuables like gold, deeds and titles, birth records and ID and such, family heirlooms? you're "preps" better be quick-loadable cuz you're going to have a ton of OTHER stuff to think about.

    unless your a single dude living in an RV and all your "preps" are always with you and you simply drive out.
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