This is a discussion on Home Invasions Taken To New Level within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by kb2wji I'm a LEO. The last home invasion I worked (2 weeks ago) consisted of 13 armed men/women. One door kicker, and ...
I'm a LEO and, respectfully, I could not disagree more. If they come in that hard and strong (13 armed felons), they don't intend to take a few things and leave. They intend to hurt you and your family and, most likely, have no intention of leaving witnesses. What is one of the first things you learn in the academy? Never give up your gun, even if the badguy has the drop on you (The Onion Field lesson). I see this scenario the same way. No way I subject my wife and kids to the whim of animals like this. I might die trying to stop them, but I will try. And I stand by my first statement. Shoot the first couple in the face, the others won't hang around. Might I get shot in the process? Maybe. Maybe even killed. But once shots are fired, the remaining thugs are not going to hang around to torture and rape the family. They will be getting the heck out of Dodge. The risk of getting killed to protect my family from rape/torture? That is a trade I'm willing to make.
"Skin that smokewagon!".
The person you were replying to, well I'll be nice and just say that it sounds like someone that wants to be a Chief of Police somewhere, or head of a federal agency. No disrespect to the few decent, good Chiefs out there, but they are few and far between.
The kind of force that the OP described is only repelled by force of a greater magnitude. It doesn't require greater numbers, but that sure helps. It requires a greater ferociousness and willingness to not only make the other guy bleed, but a willingness to bleed yourself.
Don't equate willingness to bleed with wanting to bleed. They are vastly different. Violence will be met with violence of an equal and sometimes greater magnitude in the earnest hope that I may continue to breath, but more so that my loved ones will be unharmed. The badguys dealt the cards and we are forced to play the hand they dealt. If we are able to turn the tables so to speak, and deal them back what they dealt us, it seems only fitting.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL.
I am neither an attorney-at-law nor I do play one on television or on the internet. No one should assumes my opinion is legal advice.
Veni, Vidi, Velcro
12 ga. with #1 Buck once we are in bed for the night. Prior to that I carry either the G24 or G27 on me all the time.
Sounds like as good of an argument as any for a beta c-mag for the AR guys and a Romanian or Chinese drum for the AK guys.
"Stand your ground, don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here!" - John Parker April 19th, 1775 Lexington, MA
We talked about it again last night and my wife suggested what I had been thinking but didn't think she would go for. That is enclosing our covered porch with floor to top iron fencing on the side and gate in front. Also adding a security door over our back door to the garage. That only leaves 14' of glass and french door on the back. No civil way to deal with that without grossing up the view.
We already decided I'll carry in the house, but she is still against shotguns in the corner because of the grandkids. Now if I can just find a "House Holster"...
You beget evil with evil. War is made upon certain terms. Be ready to meet the terms of engagement. You should always have the home turf advantage....after that, expect the worst and prepare for it however you wish. Best advice I can give you is be prepared to die. But take as many of them with you as possible, and never be taken alive. Make your stand. Be it known that you'll never actually have a tactical advantage over the unexpected. Once you prepare yourself for the unexpected, you're just prolonging your time and duration in the game. Make the most of it.Seems like home invasions used to be done by a couple guys. Now it's 4-6 or more. How do you defend against that?
Man indicted for duct-taping, paralyzing Beaumont woman
By BETH RANKIN
March 18, 2010
Posted: March 18, 2010, 4:32 PM CDT Last updated: March 18, 2010, 5:52 PM CDT
Maybe this will happen if you cooperate !
A Galveston man was indicted for aggravated robbery after police say he and his accomplice shot and paralyzed a woman during a home invasion in Beaumont.
According to the indictment, Brock Jimone McNeil, 30, and an unknown co-defendant forced an Irene Street resident into his home as he attempted to leave on Dec. 30. McNeil and his accomplice then duct-taped the man, his wife and family to chairs, according to court documents.
When the husband refused to talk, he was stabbed with a knife. His wife told the men where they hid their money. When she attempted to escape, she was shot and is now paralyzed as a result.
Not fighting is not an option. If I know they will only steal stuff and leave ok, but I do not know what their intent would be. I have an obligation to protect my wife and if I start blazing with my 45 and or the shotgun rest assured, the neighbors will call the police and she has a chance. By doing nothing then the ball stays in the court of some lowlife no morals or ethics having piece of scum. Never surrender. It is like I told my guys in Iraq if you surrender you end up being sodomized and then get your head cutoff before making the nightly Al Jazeera news...same thing here no thanks
Led By Love Of Country
The only thing in my house worth dying for is my wife and baby - that said they break in they can have the bottom floor - my buddies the local cops can deal with them. God help any one who wants to come upstairs. No quarter will be given.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.
Im a big fan of the .22LR for bear defense.
Just shoot the guy next to you in the knee and run like heck.