March 22nd, 2010 02:40 PM
If he's got money for smokes he doesn't need my help
March 22nd, 2010 03:21 PM
Just out of curiosity....If the guy did engage you and you had a non lethal retaliation via a pepper spray + beating, or a knife, or a baton and beat him silly, would be the next step? call the police? walk away?
March 22nd, 2010 03:42 PM
Anytime you have to use force of any kind, you should notify LEO's. This will at least get your side of the incident documented, because you can be sure that the person you used the force on will be calling them.
March 22nd, 2010 03:56 PM
Agreed very much.
Originally Posted by HKtexas
Kudos to your firend as well for realizing this fool was just a fool and being able to walk it off rather than think to assault the guy for what is really nothing at all...But foolish words.
"Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy
"A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing
March 22nd, 2010 07:48 PM
As the youngest child in a big family my father told me something that seems to apply to everything.
He said " Son take what you got left and do the best that you can with it."
I am the father of 7 children and I now know the value of his wisdom. Seems like that's exactly what you did Great call!
March 22nd, 2010 09:03 PM
Get a Maxpedition Versipack for use as a camera bag!
Great advice jwhite75.
Originally Posted by jwhite75
Check out the Maxpedition Versipacks for use as a camera bag.
I would recommend either a "Jumbo" or a "Mongo" bag.
They all have a dedicated pouch for carrying a concealed weapon and have sufficient padding for use in storing sensitive camera equipment.
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"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
March 22nd, 2010 10:24 PM
I'm glad you and, your friends were not harmed. I always hate the fact that one of our members are put in bad situations. You did the right thing I wonder why this guy acted like he did? Oh well, I'm just glad all worked out to your advantage.
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March 22nd, 2010 10:36 PM
I was with you until I read this:
Seems you got in his face first and then he got in your's. I suggest you learn to take as good as you give. I'm not homeless, but it'd piss me off if someone was taking my picture w/o consent or even moreso, pics of little kids in my family (I know, this isn't what you were doing). They don't know why you are taking pictures. If it's your job, you're making money off of them and their situation and they have no control over how you use those pictures and don't get a cut either. Maybe it's time to think about how you approach your subjects.
Originally Posted by Laser Sailor
March 22nd, 2010 11:04 PM
This is why the light can be a great first step. If it works, you can leave and no further reporting is required unless you feel they pose a safety hazard to others.
Originally Posted by Hiram25
Fortune favors the bold.
Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free.
The thing about "defense" is that it has practically nothing to do with guns. (As passed on by CCW9MM)
March 22nd, 2010 11:56 PM
I gotta throw a quick jab in there for having to move into condition yellow.... lol thats where we are supposed to live my friend!
(Im just giving you a hard time - I have a hard time staying in yellow all the time as well....)
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
March 23rd, 2010 02:22 AM
I once worked as a bouncer at a SoCal nightclub and it took me (195 lbs--in solid shape) and my larger partner (250 lbs--in even better shape) to subdue a 160-ish lb. Pillsbury doughboy high on PCP who'd just bitten off half a customer's ear.
Take that into consideration.
Use every advantage and assume nothing. Just because your adversary looks down and out is no reason to let your guard down. Street peeps often have a reduced sense of pain due to drugs or mental illness.
It doesn't require a weapon to prevail. A clear head and a survival instinct will often do.
Joint holds are also worth knowing against freaked out/drugged out peeps as they can overcome even the most severely out-of-control characters--more than mere punches or stab wounds.
P.S. I have to add that in the OP's scenario--as much as it hurts the man muscle--it might have been best to suck it up and apologize for violating the dude's "space". In the future, the polite thing to do would be to ask for permission to take their photograph. [Hell, that's what you'd do in most 3rd world countries, right?] Then, play it by ear if that doesn't de-escalate the situation.
He that skulks away lives to fight another day (i.e. a real threat).
Don't forget to bow as the chariot passes.
March 23rd, 2010 10:50 AM
Originally Posted by nedrgr21
If you desire safety, take your camera to Target and take baby pictures.
March 23rd, 2010 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by nedrgr21
I understand your point. And want to clarify that what I'm doing is perfectly legal and ethically sound. Anybody in a public area is fair game to be photographed, police officers, adults, kids, homeless people, anybody.
Only a very small percentage of people actually have a problem (or voice that opinion to me). Sometimes the opportunity to ask permission isn't there or asking permission before taking the shot will influence how that person is acting. So I typically shoot without asking,but not always. Like anything it depends on the exact situation. If they approach me and ask what I'm up to I'll tell them and show the photos, and hand them a business card with the offer of a free print of the photo I made of them. This is how I generally defuse any situation with "normal" people. This guy was obviously unbalanced and ignoring his insults and crazy talk seemed the best way to go.
I generally don't photograph homeless people, as they're kinda overdone in the photography world, and the photos of them become very repetitive. But occasionally someone will stand out.
I am aware of the risk this may place me in, and accept it as part of the job.
When only cops have guns, it's called a "police state". Love your country, but never trust its government.
-- Robert A. Heinlein.
March 23rd, 2010 01:10 PM
I would not go into a neighborhood like that, Period.
Originally Posted by Laser Sailor
Member:USCCA, NRA, GOA, WVCDL
U.S. Navy vet 1955-1959, USS Dashiell DD 659. Glock 19, Ruger LCP, Ruger .357 Mag.
When you are at the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.
March 23rd, 2010 01:48 PM
I would agree with using a telephoto lins (on a pod for stability). In the situation you were in I'd hand the camera off to your friend's wife and you two staying in between her and the BG....... And don't forget to zoom in on the dark corner to get a light reading before you shoot....... Just thought I'd throw that in, armchair photo bug..... Wish you success with your PJ........ Just a thought... but you might bring this up for discussion in your class on the right methods of taking/invading ones space with a camera.... Not meant as a put down, just a practical discussion......
"When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others."
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