This is a discussion on Shooting in the back within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by joker1 I would not shoot until he either says he's going to kill the clerk or starts firing. Otherwise seek cover, call ...
Two idiots here tried to rob an insurance agents home office. The insurance agent grabbed his handgun and shot one of them. Turns out both robbers had airsoft guns. It didn't matter. They got charged with armed robbery, and the agent did not get charged with anything.
If the scum had a gun...he's made himself a lethal threat.
I would probably shoot him with out saying a word, given the oppurtunity.
If I waited until he shot the clerk or some else before I interevened, I could not forgive myself. 3rd party defense works in Texas.
There are many variables...Good question.
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Neither of which is Marine Corps policy.
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Shoot him in the legs until he turns around to see what the problem is!
Remember that a shooting can easily cost you $10k in legal fees if you are not charged and the family doesn't sue you. It goes way up from there if either one happens.
If I'm in the store, I'm not LEO. I'm drawing and hiding and protecting myself and my family. When would I fire? If the robber starts firing or points his gun at me, or starts herding people into the back. Would I shoot him in the back? Sure, two there and one to the head, if I HAVE to. I'd shoot him anywhere I could hit him if it comes down to that. There would be no warning, either- if he crosses that line I'm not planning to take him into custody.
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in florida you can pop somone if you feel their life is in danger. the dude doesnt even have to have a gun. castle doctrine. it would depend on your state of residence.
In SC there is the "alter ego" rule that basically says your actions can be correct under SC law if you act on someone else's behalf as if that person is yourself. If a slime is about to shoot someone it is as if they are about to shoot you and you have a right to defend the other person as if you are defending youself, IF you believe and have a "reasonable presumption"that the other person is in "imminent danger of great bodily injury or death". Shooting in the back because a gun is on someone else and the slime is not facing you has many unknown variables that make this a tough call since it is possible, in any alter ego situation, that you do not know all the facts, since you are not the one having a gun pointed at them and you are not the one specifically involved in the scenario. Personally, 911 and being a reliable witness are my call unless I can truly and completely understand the circumstances and that means more than just seeing a pointed firearm. I could be wrong and it could turn out tragically--I could be right and all is well in the world--who is to say?
It's also legal here to intervene for a 3rd party when preventing a violent crime.
Whether or not I would I don't know. First off, if I see his back I have to be worried about the bullet passing through him and going places I don't want it to go. Secondly, if I don't kill him immediately he could kill the clerk or myself (shotgun versus a handgun in close quarters?).
I don't know what I would do to be honest.
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everybody here realizes in many cases it takes multiple shots to actually stop a person from functioning dont they?...
you make a sound and he turns toward you...now that youre threatened you feel you can take the shot...he is already drawing a bead on you...it may take several shots to stop him...how good do you think you are and how many bullets are you willing to take?...
you are in a convenience store and youre talking about carefully aimed shots and throwing cans around to distract?...how far do you think you are away and what makes you think your movements arent more apparent than you believe?...unless of course you are a ninja...
And as mentioned, dont forget the legal aspects, right or wrong.
The guy in VA that was drinking coffee naked in his own house, and woman and child cutting thru his property saw him and reported him to the police?......he was found innocent of indecent exposure, but still lost his job and almost cost him custody of his daughter.
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The thing about "defense" is that it has practically nothing to do with guns. (As passed on by CCW9MM)
I believe you need to take into account the legal aspects of coming to someone else's aid. Are you willing to bankrupt your family possibly go to jail for a stranger leaving your family alone to get by.
If after considering this if you still decide to take action why would you yell anything at all before firing? Doing so takes away some of the advantage you posses. Is it a sense of fair play or the fear of what a good prosecutor might do to you in court if he is anti-gun?