Question about Defense of the home by your kids
This is a discussion on Question about Defense of the home by your kids within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by JPCleary
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Preteen Shotgunner vs. Illegal Immigrant Home Invaders ...
May 11th, 2010 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by JPCleary
May 11th, 2010 02:06 PM
May 11th, 2010 02:09 PM
I believe Cornered Cat's website has a very good article on her page about ow to introduce a child to firearms in a way that removes the mystery and teaches proper respect for firearms.
Cornered Cat - Disarming Kids' Curiosity About Firearms
May 11th, 2010 04:35 PM
yeah, you really have to know your kid and what he/she can handle before you can answer that question
Originally Posted by SIXTO
May 11th, 2010 08:35 PM
I have had loaded guns in the house for years. My children knew what they were, where they were, and to leave them alone. When they expressed an interest, they learned to shoot along with all the safety precautions that comes with it, they also learned how to make them safe, to tear them down and clean them, the whole ball of wax. I would not want to be a BG endangering either them or our home as they can both knock the eye out of a knat up to about 15 yards! We still enjoy shooting as one of out favorite things to do together. After Military Service and an LEO career, they both shoot almost as well as I, and they are gaining on me fast! When they do outshoot me, and they have done it a few times, they don't let me live it down. Of course it's all in fun, I know they'll improve as I get older, so my time is probably limited at the top of the pile! Which is probably the way it should be.
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May 12th, 2010 02:58 AM
I have gone through many of these same thoughts.
FIrst off, know your state laws. If a gun is not locked and secured in some states, you can and will be arrested, such as in Massachussettes, North East etc...
Also, I may trust my son but what about their friends? I too also grew up with no gun locks or gun safes and was taught early on what to do or what not to do. Allowing access to a minor is a very delicate issue. What if it is your daughter and she was just physically assaulted? She is mad and pissed and comes home and grabs one of your guns and hunts down the bad guy. Now you are in trouble for letting them have access even though she should have known better.
At this point, my decision is to keep everything locked up, especially handguns, until I really think I can trust my sons to do the correct thing. A hunting shotgun may be a different issue. What if my boys become some of the best junior IDPA or USPSA shooters? Well, there again lies the issues. If they snap while underage, it all goes back on the parents, more than likely. Some states it would be automatic and others my look at the circumstances.
Wow, too much to think about now.
Good Luck. I need luck in this matter as well.
May 12th, 2010 04:29 PM
Jeez man! This little girl kicks some serious @ss! She also clears Jams and reloads without any trouble.....
Originally Posted by cz2075bd
I also think a lot about what McSoo said. Kids are impulsive and sometimes irresponsible. A kid that gets beat up or assaulted in any way will be so angry and blinded by rage that could easily misuse a weapon if he/she has access....
I just hope my 7 month old kid grows more responsible than I was when I was a teen. I did have access to my dad's guns... and I lived in a violent society. Weird, rage fueled ideas went through my mind more than once... Thank God, my Dad's words and lessons were stronger than those rage filled moments.
May 12th, 2010 04:35 PM
"Aim small... miss small." YouTube - Aim small, miss small from The Patriot
The woods scene from The Patriot.
My boy will know how to use them, and I'm a firm believer that in a gunfight you bring a gun, you bring all your friends with guns!
An enemy of liberty is no friend of mine. I do not owe respect to anyone who would enslave me by government force, nor is it wise for such a person to expect it. -- Isaiah Amberay
May 18th, 2010 08:09 AM
Dead on man... as far as I'm concerned my wife and I are expendable when it comes to the life of my son. Not only that, my son showing up at the neighbor's house panicing about mommy and daddy and the BG... 911 call coming up methinks! I hate making that decision where my wife is concerned, but we've had this talk and agree, our boy's life trumps both of ours combined. Growing up an orphan may not be pleasant, but it is growing up, as opposed to being laid to rest.
Originally Posted by SIGguy229
As to when and where my child will/would have the codes to my gun safe... really, it depends on the child. Comprehension of firearms safety and the fact that a gun is never never never a toy, and NEVER to treat it as such is one thing... but God knows I did some stupid stuff as a teenage because of peer pressure and "trying to be cool" (no, not playing with guns, fear of my parent's wrath prevented that). Those thoughts alone would cause me to hesitate on that score...
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May 18th, 2010 08:53 AM
Hey Y'all: This argument can go on for pages and pages and never end. Personally I agree with bladenbullet. There are a lot more kids out there who have no sense of reality or a thought-process as complex as self defense in the home, gun use/safety and confronting slime adults with firearms then Patricia Harrington in Montana. I am almost certain that there have been more deaths of youngsters with firearms than deaths of perps by youngsters using firearms. God help you if you jump on this bandwagon to hell and your child comes out on the losing end of an firearm accident in the home or a firearm fatality due to confrontation with a slime.
May 18th, 2010 11:49 AM
another consideration with kids and guns is regardless of how well they are trained in gun safety there are still emotional and rational thought patterns that can be unpredictable...allowing a child to have access to guns without adult supervision (which would be requirted for them to have access in a home invasion scenario) runs the risk of the possibility the kid might make a bad decision under some sort of stress and do something that might not have been predicatble...
lumpy's post says it well...a disgruntled teen could even make a poor decision in a jilted love situation....
another post involved a kid making a firearm safe and pointing it at other kids as a warning from his own home...after reaching safety...kudos for making the gun safe...but you made a poor decision displaying the gun once you were safe...the ramifications of that even when you were a kid could have been bad for your parents....these are decisions kids cant be counted on to make responsibly regardless of what training you give them...
May 18th, 2010 05:43 PM
Most definitely. You should teach your son all about gun safety, gun maintnance and operation. Explain how the "machine" that we call a gun, cannot fire itself, but careless handling can make it go off.
Originally Posted by FL Vet
In every case that I know, the youngster (son or daughter) who has been taught gun safety AND how the machine works is much more careful than many adults. This education will help him to survive a carless friend who "plays" with his Dad's gun.
I would not have a safe. If your guns are for home self defense, but you keep them locked up, why bother? All that can happen is someone breaks in and steals them (after you unclock the safe under duress).
As many people have said, your brain is the only safety required.
You should use a code word with your wife and son as a warning to get to the "safe room" and defend themselves; not give your son a combination to the safe. There is no time for this kind of proceedure. The outcome of home invasions is determined in a very short period of time; don't waste it with wasted movements.
If you teach your son about safety and lead by example, I am certain that he will be as safe as you are; and you now will have an asset in your self defense plan.
Great that you are thinking ahead.
May 18th, 2010 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by Thanis
A shotgun is much more powerful than a pistol.
How is that safer?
May 18th, 2010 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by Sledzep01
You are about 4 years past decision time.
May 18th, 2010 05:48 PM
Right on, Bark'n!!!
Originally Posted by Bark'n
May 18th, 2010 05:52 PM
Originally Posted by ppkheat
Sounds like you did a great job training your son.
Maybe you should write a book about your methods and training.
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