Robbed at Gun and Knife Point - What Would You Have Done?

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    You should have had your hand on your gun the moment you saw these dirt bags and should shoot soon as you saw that they were approaching you in a threatening manner. Even if you tried to avoid them by taking another route dose not guarantee that they will not follow you but it might give time to prepare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom G View Post
    You should have had your hand on your gun the moment you saw these dirt bags and should shoot soon as you saw that they were approaching you in a threatening manner. Even if you tried to avoid them by taking another route dose not guarantee that they will not follow you but it might give time to prepare.
    risky statement and one that sounds like it might get a panhandler shot....until a threat exists a shot is not warranted...we dont have the option of shooting in preparation for what could happen...only for what is happening...a verbal warning precluding displaying a firearm would be prudent until a threat is imminent...the threat beign a demand or aggressive physical move by them...

    you take out a 15 year old because he looked threatening and no weapon is found and youre gonna be someones honey for a while in a cold place...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spar10 View Post
    so my question is.... if i'd been carrying should i have shot both of them and been done with it? as it turns out, i'm fine and my only trauma is really wondering what, if anything, i would or should have done differently had i been carrying.
    Could you have? I think this certainly fits the requirements of legal SD anywhere.

    Should you have? Only you can answer that. You survived, came out unharmed, and no one is eating daiseys. There are many "ifs" that can never be answered, so accept that you got away okay on this one.

    But ... would you take that chance again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    But ... would you take that chance again?
    a question you hope you never have to find the answer to...

    it could just as well have been you dropped to the pavement stabbed or shot after you handed over the money....its a gamble either way...

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    Drawing would have got you killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber View Post
    that's not far from what could have happened. great scene!

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    I had to laugh a bit , as it brought back a few memories when I read your write-up.

    When I was first going back to college, I worked 2-3 jobs most of the time. One was a small grocery store that was not in a good area, with 2 bars across the street. So, no one wanted to work there, let alone at night. But, it paid well and I wasn't in fear of the area.

    One night, 2 guys come in and I ring up a lot of things for them. Then, they start walking out the door, without paying. The Asst Mgr and I pursue them (not sure that was bright). On the sidewalk in front of the store on a busy street and when we get up to them, one pulls a knife on me... and tells me to back off. Thinking he has the upper hand... he begins all types of threats and stabbing motions.

    But, he's not watching me that well. Behind him, on the street... a Police car was coming down the street, so I'm motioning with my hand a lot...... behind my back. The LEO sees us all standing there, with me motioning. So, he quietly stops behind them, gets out (not making noise with the door) and quietly walks up behind the guy with the knife nearest me. He does not know he's there, he's too busy threatening me.

    Then the LEO (has out his revolver) pulls the hammer back as his sticks the gun into the neck of the BG and says, "don't move... POLICE".

    The look on his face..... when he heard the hammer 'click' and felt the barrel on his neck, and then... "don't move... Police"... totally, absolutlely PRICELESS. They both took a trip to jail and prison for armed robbery.

    A good outcome, is a good outcome, no matter how it gets there.

    I also learned another lesson at that store, never take "any" threat lightly. A guy (drunk at the time ) got ticked off at the Mgr and told him "I'll be back... I'll be back... I'm gonna get you for this ". The next day, he walked in... walked up to the Mgr, stuck a .38 revolver into his stomach and killed him.

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    you should have not walked to them. change directions and notify the police. i have leo in the family and have talked with the leo in my community and they all say the same thing. "thats why were here". we have been told recently at a block watch meeting by the police sargent, "if we see someone that doesnt belong in the area, call the police and let the officers question the person".

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    Throw the dog at the gunman.

    Dive out of the line of fire.

    Shoot the little @#$%^&*s!
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    Throw the dog at the gunman.

    Dive out of the line of fire.

    Shoot the little @#$%^&*s!
    LOL!!

    Open carry canine!!

    But seriously, you are lucky you made it out safe.
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    Originally Posted by paramedic70002
    Throw the dog at the gunman.

    Dive out of the line of fire.

    Shoot the little @#$%^&*s!


    Oh great then PETA gets involved because you abused fluffy. Dog is traumatized for life. Sues for emotional distress. Bad guys witness in his/her behalf. You now spend days working extra jobs to afford doggie valium and therapy.
    Seriously glad you made it out ok. Even armed drawing to the already present multiple threats in two directions would be tough.
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    Get a bigger dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spar10 View Post
    this is a true story and i keep replaying it in my head and wondering what would of happened differently, if anything, had i already had my ccw and had been carrying.
    A good start.

    Quote Originally Posted by spar10 View Post
    i was walking my (really small) dog around 11pm on a winter night. i was one block from my house and as i approached the final cross street before walking onto my block, i could see two people standing on the corner. it didn't seem right so i know i've already screwed up by continuing to walk toward them instead of turning around and going down a different route to my house.
    Good observation...good critique--you should not have gone there--take the long route back to your house. Oh, and get a bigger dog--BGs hate dogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by spar10 View Post
    as i approached the two people i could see they were probably teenagers. as i got close to them, one of the kids pulled a gun in front of me and the other kid pulled a knife (a steak knife of all things) and stood behind me. i still had my small dog on the leash. i was pretty nervous but not anywhere near as scared as i thought i would be or probably should have been in this scenario.
    Now you are in the thick of it...you walked on to the "X"...the BGs set the place, you picked the time. A fly in the web, if you will.

    Quote Originally Posted by spar10 View Post
    they told me to give them all of my money so i reached into my back pocket, pulled my wallet out and gave them what little was in there. once they had the money, they told me to keep moving and don't look back, which is exactly what i did.
    You're between a rock and a hard place. The only thing you can do at this time is comply....until you find an opportunity to not comply--say, if they had you move into an alley off the street (then you're as good as dead there)

    Quote Originally Posted by spar10 View Post
    about 50 feet away i reached into my coat pocket and called 911 from my cellphone. i'll cut out the rest of the story and skip to the ending. the little douche bags were caught and arrested. one of the punks was 15 and went to juvi for 3 years, his douche bag buddy with the gun went down for 7 years and the two little ****heads in the getaway car that i never saw got off with a slap on the wrist. go figure.

    so my question is.... if i'd been carrying should i have shot both of them and been done with it? as it turns out, i'm fine and my only trauma is really wondering what, if anything, i would or should have done differently had i been carrying.
    You were NOT going to beat a drawn gun..,especially so since you had your dog's leash wrapped around one hand. Another thing--you had a knife at your back...so even if you did attempt to draw, the best outcome that could happen is the BG with the gun shoots the BG with the knife. In short, you walked into trap--because you didn't see the other two criminals waiting in the shadows.

    If you did have an opportunity to draw--then yes...shoot until the threat stops...and then reload...

    The only thing, IMO, you could have done is raise your situational awareness and avoid the situation altogether. You saw these guys ahead of you...late at night...and they look like teenagers. I haven't met a teenager yet who was out late at night that wasn't up to no-good things. If you avoided the BGs, you might have seen the other two...

    All in all...there is a higher power that wants you to learn from this lesson and all it cost you (this time) was a couple of bucks. Use this lesson to educate others.
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    great summary - thanks sigguy!

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