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    Quote Originally Posted by 9MMare View Post
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    I recognize there are no guarantees and that no plan is foolproof...but I surely hope that no one will be able to get that close to me before identifying themselves or their intent.
    My self-defense plan follows yours pretty well, except I'll try my best not to leave it on 'hope.' My SA is on overdrive depending on the situation, and I attempt avoid all potential traps. We, my wife and I, have completely revamped our life due to forces out of our control.

    There is only so much one can do and prepare for regardless of the ninja's claims of some super duper let-the-force-be-with-you H2H super warriors. No offense meant.

    A man has to know his limitations. It does not mean I'll roll over; it translates into being realistic. The 5 foot woman who beat the sh-t our of me in my first KM class in Israel got the message through immediately: there are things you can do, there are things that are beyond your control.

    We - my wife and I - decided a long time ago what are the likely scenarios we'll face. And at that time one of the mandatory procedures was to check out the underside of our vehicles prior to going shopping groceries. What, exactly, is part of your daily SD procedure? Checking the belt for wear and tear?

    We try to avoid and keep our SA up to the highest level, the rest ... like the Muslims so eloquently say is inshallah.

    Stay safe 9MMare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MN2Go View Post
    I started martial arts early and traveled to the source to study when I was teenager. I've studied Krav Maga ... and underwent a hip replacement surgery last year - can't run away anymore.
    Just to interject on this one point, out of this long and excellent post - that KM training alone probably gave you the one most important ingredient in martial arts/self-defense training: when it happens, you have to "flip the switch" from relatively passive, nonviolent, confrontation-avoiding personality type (which we all should espouse, being gun carriers and martial artists) to HYPER-aggressive I-am-going-to-end-this-confrontation-on-my-terms personality. In short, aggressive action wins self-defense scenarios, not hanging back and being defensive. Once it's on, it's on and you'd better take the fight to him or it will not end good for you.

    IMHO Krav Maga, above all other martial arts, gives you that aggressive edge. Not that the others don't have it or talk about it, but KM trains it. Of course it's tempered with the legal concerns of overly aggressive responses - but once you're justified in using deadly force, KM gives you the mindset.

    Our primarily striking style has incorporated KM in the last several years, mainly for this reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctsketch View Post
    All this talk talk talk. so reliant on your gun.
    Teuller Drill, anyone? If you get the chance to try it, it's sobering.
    "Be justified. Blood may be easily wiped from the sword.
    It cannot, however, be put back from where it came." --Quicksabre

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    IMHO Krav Maga, above all other martial arts, gives you that aggressive edge. Not that the others don't have it or talk about it, but KM trains it. Of course it's tempered with the legal concerns of overly aggressive responses - but once you're justified in using deadly force, KM gives you the mindset.
    I like that about KM too (i've never studied though) but our philosophy is similar. respond as quickly as possible and end the fight as quickly as possible. and employ ALL your weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN2Go View Post
    My self-defense plan follows yours pretty well, except I'll try my best not to leave it on 'hope.'
    Thanks MN2Go. I made the comment taking my SA into consideration. I still believe that no matter how alert, etc...you can never be prepared for everything.
    Fortune favors the bold.

    Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free.

    The thing about "defense" is that it has practically nothing to do with guns. (As passed on by CCW9MM)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quicksabre View Post
    Teuller Drill, anyone? If you get the chance to try it, it's sobering.

    Absolutely agree.

    The 2 things *I think* I see people underestimate here, when running down what they'd do in a scenario...is 1) what the Tueller Drill indicates and that 2) even a perfectly placed double tap *very often* does not stop a bad guy immediately...he can still do damage (to you and others) even as you continue to shoot.
    Fortune favors the bold.

    Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free.

    The thing about "defense" is that it has practically nothing to do with guns. (As passed on by CCW9MM)

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    I also considered the scenario where...lets say I did have time to draw and shoot bu the BG was still running towards me after after a couple hits... would I want to throw the the gun (far) away and fight the BG H2H to avoid a situation where we'd be wrestling for the gun and could take it and use it on me? (keep in mind that my advantage is furthered by the fact that he might have two fatal bullets in him, and most likely is on the road to hell)

    or should I risk continuing to fire ever after he's already got his hands on me (hopefully backing up while firing has bought me extra time to empty a mag...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctsketch View Post
    I also considered the scenario where...lets say I did have time to draw and shoot bu the BG was still running towards me after after a couple hits... would I want to throw the the gun (far) away and fight the BG H2H to avoid a situation where we'd be wrestling for the gun and could take it and use it on me? (keep in mind that my advantage is furthered by the fact that he might have two fatal bullets in him, and most likely is on the road to hell)

    or should I risk continuing to fire ever after he's already got his hands on me (hopefully backing up while firing has bought me extra time to empty a mag...)
    HUH? You would consider throwing your gun away? Not for a minute. Not if he's still coming at you... Let's say he has two "fatal" shots in him... yes his adrenaline can carry him through to fight for a while... especially if the wounds are through and through... but, even if your gun is empty, and even if it's "tupperwear" (any polymer framed handgun), it's still a bludgeon. If it isn't empty... It would be before I ever considered throwing it away...

    If I can't kill him with bullets... well it's a real bad day anyway... but I'm surely not gonna give him the opportunity (or even a remote miniscule chance) to use my own weapon against me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    If I can't kill him with bullets... well it's a real bad day anyway... but I'm surely not gonna give him the opportunity (or even a remote miniscule chance) to use my own weapon against me...
    Very true, but this is what I was kind of hinting at. if he's already on top of you this still raises the possibility of him using it against you.
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    ctsketch...I think I'd keep shooting until mag emptied. And then as oak said...use it as a club. He cant do that much to you with it empty...you just have to outlast him if he's seriously hit.
    Fortune favors the bold.

    Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free.

    The thing about "defense" is that it has practically nothing to do with guns. (As passed on by CCW9MM)

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    A C.A.R. / I.P.D. bladed stance, 2 handed grip might preclude him getting it away from you... and allow you to use it as a "poke tool." And as a martial arts practitioner (? you, not me)... I would think that you could come up with lots of ways to use a gun on pressure points, soft parts, etc.

    There's just no way I'm voluntarily giving up my handgun until all the bullets are GONE... and then, it's all steel... it's hard... It's a hammer... It's all I got...

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    I would think that you could come up with lots of ways to use a gun on pressure points, soft parts, etc.
    Hmmmm maybe my partner and I will play with this, use the all snap cap gun and play out some random scenarios
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    you might take a look thru the CAR/IPD site... they show a scenario with one uld guy against a bunch of padded offenders where he is using the handgun as a poker... for a long period of time

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    actually maybe we will use my paintball pistol just so he can feel it
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    An empty gun is a bad ***** striking tool, a muzzle to the nugget is painful, anything to the crown of the head hurts. Slapping someone with your weapon is a good option too.

    CT- check this out ....

    You fire your double tap as you back up, attacker closes distance and gets some hands on. A technique to try to give you an idea could be like this...try to follow me lol its makes sense in my head lol

    As BG makes contact step back and 45 out with rear leg, strike with front hand(palm heel, verticle shuto, or push to shoulder to spin BG) retract hand turn square fire again from in tight to body (slide leaning away from you). Step slide back extend gun, fire again.

    Just something to play with.

    KM is pretty cool from what I see.

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