Daughter in distress

Daughter in distress

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    Daughter in distress

    Your teenage daughter works weekends at a local greasy spoon restaurant a mile away that serves breakfast & lunch.

    On good weather days she rides her bike to work, you also ride with her to make sure she doesn't detour to the boyfriends.

    One early sunny afternoon your riding over to escort her home after she is finished for the day. You hear multiple police sirens seemingly heading your way triggering a enhanced level of SA.

    About that time you spot your daughter passing you in a strange pick-up truck with unknown male speeding in opposite direction. She appears to be in distress but not sure.

    The truck with daughter is now caught in light traffic at a near by red light. The light will turn green in 15 seconds.

    You are on your bike approx 14 secs away, your carry weapon is holstered and hot.

    Your thinking someone has robbed the restaurant and grabbed your daughter.

    Or has there been an accident at work and some kind stranger is bringing her to get medical help?

    What do you do?

    Last edited by JAT40; May 16th, 2010 at 10:29 AM. Reason: Re-format post
    While people are saying "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, ... and they will not escape. 1Th 5:3


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    Wave them down. If they don't stop, get a description and pass to dispatch while pumping home to get my truck and persue.

    My teenage daughter works at the 'greasy-spoon' about 20 min. away so I'd never be on a bicycle. She's got lots of friends and I don't know all thier(or thier parents) cars, but I know thier faces. If I encountered a like sceaniro while picking her up in my truck, I'm following, calling her cell, ......no answer......calling 911 and getting/passing info. My daughter would ask to stop if she saw me, so not stopping would be avery RED flag. I'm NOT drawing my sidearm just because they didn't stop. Too many variables and unknowns.
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    I can't pedal a bike,but in todays atmosphere of Psycho's I'd rather give her a ride to and from work just for peace of mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    Wave them down. If they don't stop, get a description and pass to dispatch while pumping home to get my truck and persue.

    My teenage daughter works at the 'greasy-spoon' about 20 min. away so I'd never be on a bicycle. She's got lots of friends and I don't know all thier(or thier parents) cars, but I know thier faces. If I encountered a like sceaniro while picking her up in my truck, I'm following, calling her cell, ......no answer......calling 911 and getting/passing info. My daughter would ask to stop if she saw me, so not stopping would be avery RED flag. I'm NOT drawing my sidearm just because they didn't stop. Too many variables and unknowns.
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    Too many variables and unknowns...

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    This is one of those scenarios that "looks can be deceiving." Nothing wrong with that at all, and it's a valid point of discussion.

    A key point in this is "my daughter" is involved, for me personally that changes things to a different level.

    Since I'm not actually immersed in this right now, it's hard to say exactly what I'd do. I will say I'm not going to "shoot first, and ask questions later".

    I will say I'll probably be a lot more pro-active and aggressive in this situation. A threat, perceived or real, against my daughter, or other family members, will trigger something quite different in most Dad's.

    In an attempt to answer this scenario, the one-second window that's been offered at the traffic light, will be a bit longer, since traffic doesn't immediately move at the instant the light changes. That's more time for me to interpret exactly what's going on.
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    Oh give me a break, I'm going to do what any Dad would do or any decent Dad, I'm going to make contact and find out what the heck is going on and do it cautiously of course so I don't get my head blown off, that won't help her if she is in trouble, but will give me a better clue as to what the heck is happening and if she is injured, I'm in the truck with them, if he is kidnapping her, then it's show and tell time pure and simple, tires are gone, shoot into the engine radiator I don't care, that vehicle is not going very far if I have anything to do with it, plus the gun fire will bring the police, this is my family we are talking about, emotions are high, but the brain must stay engaged to ensure he doesn't get away with her.

    BTW - On a side note, the Dad in this story needs to lighten up a little, teenage girls have boyfriends, trying to control a teenage girl will be the Dads downfall, talk with them, he's being to restrictive, bad move.
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    I'm thinking this may be the last time I see her alive. So I'm pulling out all the stops and let the chips fall as they may.

    Before the light turns, I'm off the bike standing by drivers side front wheel with weapon pointed at driver through windshield, loudly commanding him to "HALT".

    Hopefully the daughter will be helpful and chime in at this point with "Help" or "Dad NO".

    If he is a GG his response will be to surrender, if I need a lawyer at this junction so be it. No regrets.

    If he's a BG he's most likely armed. If not armed, crime spree over.

    a) He tries to move the pick-up, shoot to disable the truck.

    b) He points his gun at me through the glass, I fire while advancing to the drivers side window pinning below the dash and continue to fire through the now broken window until the threat is stopped.

    c)He points the gun at my daughter, I duck out of his line of sight, shoot the front tires out wait for a good shot or the police.

    While people are saying "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, ... and they will not escape. 1Th 5:3

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    Wave and yell "Wait up!" If the daughter sees you and is obviously in distress, you'll take action. If she's just mortified because she was sneaking off with her boyfriend before coming home, well, that doesn't justify shooting him. Yet.
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    real issue??

    Quote Originally Posted by JAT40 View Post
    Your teenage daughter works weekends at a local greasy spoon restaurant a mile away that serves breakfast & lunch.

    On good weather days she rides her bike to work, you also ride with her to make sure she doesn't detour to the boyfriends. :
    If this is a real issue, either you need to lighten up or you and your wife need to educate your daughter about the fact that when she leaves the house to go to work, that is the only place she is going to go; and if she goes elsewhere for any reason whatsoever she must phone you. That, keeping you informed is her obligation, and your knowing is your obligation as a parent.

    Now, since she is working, I will assume she is 16 or over. Bad news dad, somewhere in the next 18 months +/-1 you will have no say.

    So, you and mom need to work on teaching personal safety, teaching issues revolving around the selection of boy-friends, and issues revolving around staying safe while dating.

    As far as the scenario goes, you can't catch a car on a bike. Grab a number off the license, a description of the car, place a phone call to your daughter's cell and see if she answers or not. If not, as an abundance of caution, 911 it. Or, maybe, pedal like crazy to her work place before placing the 911 call. 'Cause, chances are she wasn't kidnapped and just bugged out of work. In which case, you have an irresponsible daughter and you and your wife need to work on that issue quickly.

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    If he is a GG his response will be to surrender,
    I am a GG and if you point a gun at me my response will not be to surrender, it never has been.

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    This is a scary situation. There are too many cases where a young girl is taken has been taken hostage during a robbery. If there is no response to calling her cell phone and she looks scared try to disable the truck and get the tag number. Call 911 as soon as possible. The sooner you get the police involved the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    I am a GG and if you point a gun at me my response will not be to surrender, it never has been.Biker
    Good point Biker, a GG with gun trying to help would be an issue, even in a near by vehicle. Hopefully the daughter would say something to defuse the situation. I do know one of the laws of gun fighting is you can't out draw a drawn gun, so communication is key here for survival.

    In this scenario what would you do? Trying to psycho-analyze the motives behind the hypothetical bike ride I have to say is not helpful.
    While people are saying "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, ... and they will not escape. 1Th 5:3

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    I know this thread is for real or hypothetical scenarios.

    Just curious, I've been presuming your OP is a hypothetical scenario? Am I correct?
    Turn the election's in 2014 to a "2A Revolution". It will serve as a 1994 refresher not to "infringe" on our Second Amendment. We know who they are now.........SEND 'EM HOME. Our success in this will be proportional to how hard we work to make it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppkheat View Post
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    I know this thread is for real or hypothetical scenarios.

    Just curious, I've been presuming your OP is a hypothetical scenario? Am I correct?
    Yes, very hypothetical. Don't have any bike riding teenage daughters. I find fathering tips about being over protective humorous and a bit odd for a DC forum.

    Still very interested to see how others would read the scenario and respond.
    While people are saying "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, ... and they will not escape. 1Th 5:3

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    I would think that in this situation I would assume something was wrong. If you ride your bike down there everyday to ride back with her, and she knows that you are coming, I would hope she would at least call to let you know she was getting a ride from someone so you don't waste your time coming down there. I know in high school if my parents were going to pick me up from somewhere, and instead I got a ride from a friend, I better let my parents know I already got a ride home. Although many of my friends were not the same way, so your mileage may vary.

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