What if you have the open shot??
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As we were eating a LEO walked in and ordered some lunch. ...
May 22nd, 2010 05:36 PM
What if you have the open shot??
OK, So I was at the local fast food joint with the family.
As we were eating a LEO walked in and ordered some lunch. I began to wonder what if someone came into rob or shoot up the place.
And then there proceeded to be a gun fight between the BG and the LEO where they were both behind cover and shooting it out.
Not a BG that "shoots and runs" but, a BG that stays and fights.
In this scenario..."what if" I had an open/clear shot when the LEO obviously didn't have such a good position.
Should I take that shot or should I remain completely uninvolved because there is a LEO present?
What would you do if a gunfight situation like this is happening and the LEO is having difficulty getting a good shot at the BG and there are other innocent civilians around? ...Your thoughts?
May 22nd, 2010 05:43 PM
I would divert this to a very good criminal defense advisor/attorney...Reason I say this is, actually everyone could chime in with their opinions and thoughts, but a really good prosecutor will/can angle you into a really nice stay at the big house. Me myself Im heading the opposite direction with my family while calling in back-up for LEO.
May 22nd, 2010 05:50 PM
Pop smoke and call for an air strike.
May 22nd, 2010 05:53 PM
I'm staying under the table until the threat is directed immediately toward me.
May 22nd, 2010 06:09 PM
Use the drive thru. You never want to see the people handling your food.
May 22nd, 2010 06:15 PM
Duck and cover. Run like crazy if you have the chance.
Don't believe what you hear and only half of what you see!
May 22nd, 2010 06:22 PM
The officer is getting paid to shoot back, not me I'm out of there if possible.
I also forgot to mention he has a vest on as well.
May 22nd, 2010 06:25 PM
My rule of thumb.
Originally Posted by billzfx4
With a shot at a BG on LEO, I'd take the shot and expect the same.
Got the mention that I'm probably not with family.
Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
May 22nd, 2010 06:34 PM
Nuke'em from space....it's the only way to be sure...
But seriously....it would really depend on the totality of circumstances....
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May 22nd, 2010 07:30 PM
Call for a 'drone strike' on the BG's car as he's leaving.
Pulling a gun while the LEO is in a gun battle might make you a target.
Only if you are personally attacked/made a target...defend yourself.
Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
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May 22nd, 2010 07:30 PM
Give Me Thre Steps ;-)
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May 22nd, 2010 07:49 PM
Tough call. It would be terrible to sit, do nothing, and potentially watch the LEO get gunned down. It would be worse to take the shot and immediately get shot by the LEO since he wouldn't know what side you're on unless you ask him if he needs assistance prior to taking the shot, which might get you shot by the BG. It would be worse still for a family member or companion to take a round from the BG and/or LEO if you stepped in.
In SOME jurisdictions a person can use lethal force in defense of another person if that other person would be justified in using lethal force under the conditions at hand. However, legally it might get complicated even if everything went perfectly. So, it's still a tough call.... you could end up a live hero or coward, a dead hero or coward, a prisoner, bankrupt, or something in-between.... definitely a scenario to consider though, and discuss with LEO buddies and lawyer buddies.
May 22nd, 2010 07:58 PM
If the officer needed assistance I would get into the fight.
I would not let an officer be gunned down in front of me.
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May 22nd, 2010 08:11 PM
I would have to take the shot! But I'd be screaming my head off Retired Trooper the whole time! My gun would hit the deck as soon as the BG was taken out of the fight.
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May 22nd, 2010 08:25 PM
My thoughts also, except retired military or good guy and follow the rest. I couldn't stand by, just couldn't not with the scenario presented open shot and all.
Originally Posted by Hiram25
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