Home Invasion

This is a discussion on Home Invasion within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by SatCong Wonder why the back-door wasn't lock? Good point. I'm glad the drunk got escorted out with no holes in him but ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatCong View Post
    Wonder why the back-door wasn't lock?

    Good point. I'm glad the drunk got escorted out with no holes in him but I do wonder why on earth an off duty cop is unarmed!

    I would think that cops would see enough of the bad side of humanity that they wouldn't want to be anywhere without their gun! At least this cop came out better that the one in the peoples republic of Chicago a few days ago. He lost his life trying to keep his motorcycle from being stolen. Again, this man was off duty and didn't have his gun. If might have saved his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I would hate to be involved in this type of HD, but the the kids and grandkids must come first. In the dark, with just a moment to decide, I would not blame a home owner for stopping the unknown threat.
    I cannot disagree with that, but how would the HO (or anyone else)feel when realizing it was "only a drunk," not someone who actually posed a threat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I cannot disagree with that, but how would the HO (or anyone else)feel when realizing it was "only a drunk," not someone who actually posed a threat?
    Split decisions last a lifetime. A woman alone in her house with a strange man walking in while drunk; the endless possibilities of rape, murder, burglary flash through ones noggin. Do I squeeze off the shot and cease a possible threat or take my chances and hope that the misplaced drunk will comply and not become aggressive. Tough call.

    I told the guy who is an Federal BOP Officer never go unarmed you have a right to carry off duty for a reason. Shame on him!
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    I have OC but I use it more when out in the street. But it is available and in my nightstand drawer next to my bed if needs be. I use a Saber OC that attaches to or disconnects from a key ring (preferably my car keys only) and fires 20 shots. Since I carry a handgun, I prefer to have it on my non-dominant hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatCong View Post
    Wonder why the back-door wasn't lock?

    I thought the same thing. That said many people in my rural area still leave their doors open to let the cool night air come in with only a screen door to keep out the bugs. That should never be considered in any way as something to hold against a homeowner if a they did feel a need to protect themselves. Doors and locks are to protect the homeowner not the strangers who might decide to pop in unannounced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I cannot disagree with that, but how would the HO (or anyone else)feel when realizing it was "only a drunk," not someone who actually posed a threat?
    ...probably not very good, but would feel worse if the family had been harmed because of 'lack of HO action'...might only have a moment in the dark to decide...Mmmmm, what to do?

    It's a tough one, but that's life...I'd choose to keep myself and my family alive.
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    Hey Y'all: A good example why my philosophy on home defense makes even more sense. Just my wife and I so no others in other areas of home. Locked bedroom door with a doorstopper at bottom that also prevents easy door opening. Remote car opener (with emergency button) by bedside, which can be activated if intruder in house. Cell phone by bedside for call to police. Everything outside of bedroom that is worth anything is just "stuff" and it is insured-I am not going out of the bedroom and risk my life over "stuff". IF the intruder wants into my bedroom, it will require somewhat of a concerted effort that, at that point, is beyond a "stuff robbery" and is now personal defense--if he gets in he will not be coming out--period/end of story. In this thread's scenario, he would be stumbling around and eventually police would be dealing with the drunken idiot--no shots, no killings, not much of anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatCong View Post
    Wonder why the back-door wasn't lock?

    Perhaps the "wife" he was calling out to was in fact the resident.... So perhaps the LEO needed a quick escape plan... Just sayin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbonedemon View Post
    Something similar happened here in NC, an Asian kid was looking for a holloween party, he couldn't speak English very well and had on a mask, he showed up at the wrong house and was shot point blank w/a 12 gauge. Here in NC, you can't shoot anyone once they are in your house if they are unarmed but, you can blast away if they are breaking down a window or door. You are more likely to go to jail killing someone in your house. Oh yea why was the backdoor unlocked, thats asking for a surprise.
    Wow, really? That seems extreme, esp since under such a law, I can see a good reason to draw a weapon and not fire....(which I normally dont see much reason to do).

    If someone breaks in in the dark...it's one thing to identify them...it's another to have to take extra time to verify a gun.

    If someone is coming down my hall in the dark and I ID them with my light (and dont know them)....in my state I do not to have to do more...I am back behind cover and my weapon is hopefully on the target. If they burst into my bedroom....I have the right to shoot....a man can still rape or kill me without a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Storm View Post
    I have OC but I use it more when out in the street. But it is available and in my nightstand drawer next to my bed if needs be. I use a Saber OC that attaches to or disconnects from a key ring (preferably my car keys only) and fires 20 shots. Since I carry a handgun, I prefer to have it on my non-dominant hand.
    I do not have OC on my nitestand, just my loaded 9mm. In my home, someone I dont know (or trust) should never get that close to me. If they do, my reaction would be to shoot them if they didnt retreat. And they absolutely have no reason to have managed to get into my locked house at nite.
    Fortune favors the bold.

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    My doors are always locked at nite. I'm out in a rural area, no others in the house. I have 2 dogs in the house. My bedroom door, far from the entry doors, is unlocked and open. 9mm, tac light, and cell are on nitestand, landline across the room.

    My dogs will hear anyone breaking in and go there. (It is very distressing that they will be in jeopardy, but that's one reason the new dog is a very alert barker.) At that point I will have my 9mm in hand and be ready to defend the bedroom. The plan varies a bit after that depending on the dogs...if they come back to me, attack (not likely), scare off the intruder, etc.

    But if they continue to approach the bedroom, my 'safe room', against my warnings....I can only assume the worst and be prepared to shoot. Then identify target and shoot if necessary.
    Fortune favors the bold.

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    The thing about "defense" is that it has practically nothing to do with guns. (As passed on by CCW9MM)

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    Personally not an OC person, I think I would be tempted to spray some of the drunks I do know that end up in the apartment. Even more annoying than a drunk stranger in your residence, a drunk you know. I swere this place has become a half way house. At this rate I will be a vegetarian because that the only food they don’t eat.
    Last edited by AlexHassin; May 27th, 2010 at 12:34 AM. Reason: clarity

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