Home Invasion

Home Invasion

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    Here's the backdrop. I live in a small private community in Northern PA. One night there was a party at the lodge, while our armed security guards where making their rounds to close the lodge they found a drunk guy laying on the floor upstairs. They guided him out at which point he tried to get into several cars occupied by lone females. He eventually made it down the road and entered into the wrong house through a back door. Now the resident of the home is a single woman who happened to have her LEO boyfriend over. They heard the guy downstairs tripping over everything until he made it up the stairs. Then he opens the door and calls out for his wife. The off duty LEO in the house un-armed had to manually escort this guy out into the street for security to hold him until the PA state police can arrive on scene. So now think of the possibilities in this one. I stopped over there the following day and found out the guy is a resident in the community living one block over. See you never know when trouble is going to come. Stay armed!
    One more step and it's on!


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    Thankfully the LEO recognized the difference between a drunk and an armed invader with malice in mind!

    It makes one question how many would automatically applied deadly force, using some "castle doctrine" as the basis for their actions.
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    LEO's get a lot of practice with drunks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Thankfull the LEO recognized the difference between a drunk and an armed invader with malice in mind!

    It makes one question how many would automatically applied deadly force, using some "castle doctrine" as the basis fro their actions.
    While I am inclined to shoot to protect the castle, the totality of the situation must rise to a certain level where I fear that no other reasonable option exist.

    Thus I would not want to be shooting the 70 something year old lady that is senile and wanders into my home thinking it's her's. Nor would I want to shoot the nefarious individual intent on stealing my stereo to buy his next drug fix.

    Wanting and prepared are two seperate issues. I am prepared, but that doesn't mean I want to, or that I may even do so. Too many people have a "Shoot them first and let God sort them out mentality" IMHO. There are a few, some not even illegal, reasons why a stranger may be in your home. It would sure suck to be you if you had shot them.

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    A neighbor 3 rooms away at the apartment complex I currently reside just had an attempted break in occured last Friday. Don't know the details but I found out when I overheard a Chestefield County cop stating what occured when making a housecall the following day to interview the tenant. And, this area is always a quiet and peaceful place. But this goes to show that it can happen anywhere and anytime. Have a security/response plan, have your weapons ready, and be prepared.

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    Thats why you carry pepperspray and a gun, Pepperspray the drunk =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dripster View Post
    Here's the backdrop. I live in a small private community in Northern PA. One night there was a party at the lodge, while our armed security guards where making their rounds to close the lodge they found a drunk guy laying on the floor upstairs. They guided him out at which point he tried to get into several cars occupied by lone females. He eventually made it down the road and entered into the wrong house through a back door. Now the resident of the home is a single woman who happened to have her LEO boyfriend over. They heard the guy downstairs tripping over everything until he made it up the stairs. Then he opens the door and calls out for his wife. The off duty LEO in the house un-armed had to manually escort this guy out into the street for security to hold him until the PA state police can arrive on scene. So now think of the possibilities in this one. I stopped over there the following day and found out the guy is a resident in the community living one block over. See you never know when trouble is going to come. Stay armed!
    Wonder why the back-door wasn't lock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    Wanting and prepared are two seperate issues. I am prepared, but that doesn't mean I want to, or that I may even do so. Too many people have a "Shoot them first and let God sort them out mentality" IMHO. There are a few, some not even illegal, reasons why a stranger may be in your home. It would sure suck to be you if you had shot them.

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    Plus 1. Easy to say, difficult to live with if it happens to you. More than one person has spilled his basket of fruit after an incident like that.
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    Something similar happened here in NC, an Asian kid was looking for a holloween party, he couldn't speak English very well and had on a mask, he showed up at the wrong house and was shot point blank w/a 12 gauge. Here in NC, you can't shoot anyone once they are in your house if they are unarmed but, you can blast away if they are breaking down a window or door. You are more likely to go to jail killing someone in your house. Oh yea why was the backdoor unlocked, thats asking for a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guardmt View Post
    Thats why you carry pepperspray and a gun, Pepperspray the drunk =)
    Bro I have seen my share of Perps eat a whole can of 8% OC and keep coming. Some people are just immune to it, but not everyone is immune to lead.

    I personally carry a 2oz. can of Fox Labs OC, and my trusty Glock 23. I don't carry cuffs because If I have to draw my weapon that means DPF is authorized.
    One more step and it's on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    While I am inclined to shoot to protect the castle, the totality of the situation must rise to a certain level where I fear that no other reasonable option exist.

    Thus I would not want to be shooting the 70 something year old lady that is senile and wanders into my home thinking it's her's. Nor would I want to shoot the nefarious individual intent on stealing my stereo to buy his next drug fix.

    Wanting and prepared are two seperate issues. I am prepared, but that doesn't mean I want to, or that I may even do so. Too many people have a "Shoot them first and let God sort them out mentality" IMHO. There are a few, some not even illegal, reasons why a stranger may be in your home. It would sure suck to be you if you had shot them.

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    As usual, an excellent and very cogent post!

    I have Castle Doctrine in my State and while I may be legal in utilizing lethal force against anyone who forces entry in my home... I will likely refrain from shooting until a totality of the circumstances dictate that lethal force is the appropriate response.
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    DWISH is not a good idea.
    Drinking and Walking Into Someone's House

    I would hate to be involved in this type of HD, but the the kids and grandkids must come first. In the dark, with just a moment to decide, I would not blame a home owner for stopping the unknown threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    DWISH is not a good idea.
    Drinking and Walking Into Someone's House

    I would hate to be involved in this type of HD, but the the kids and grandkids must come first. In the dark, with just a moment to decide, I would not blame a home owner for stopping the unknown threat.
    I would agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dripster View Post
    Here's the backdrop. I live in a small private community in Northern PA. One night there was a party at the lodge, while our armed security guards where making their rounds to close the lodge they found a drunk guy laying on the floor upstairs. They guided him out at which point he tried to get into several cars occupied by lone females. He eventually made it down the road and entered into the wrong house through a back door. Now the resident of the home is a single woman who happened to have her LEO boyfriend over. They heard the guy downstairs tripping over everything until he made it up the stairs. Then he opens the door and calls out for his wife. The off duty LEO in the house un-armed had to manually escort this guy out into the street for security to hold him until the PA state police can arrive on scene. So now think of the possibilities in this one. I stopped over there the following day and found out the guy is a resident in the community living one block over. See you never know when trouble is going to come. Stay armed!
    Okay nobody has pointed this out yet so i will(I bolded it above)... I ask my self when I see mall security guards with NO firearms.... WHAT GOOD ARE THEY when a mad man starts blasting away at customers? Some LEO's (such as a few I know just don't carry off duty, it makes me wonder)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spec View Post
    Okay nobody has pointed this out yet so i will(I bolded it above)... I ask my self when I see mall security guards with NO firearms.... WHAT GOOD ARE THEY when a mad man starts blasting away at customers? Some LEO's (such as a few I know just don't carry off duty, it makes me wonder)
    Lol Its prob a good thing that mall security guard don't have guns with there qualifications.
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