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    Quote Originally Posted by varob View Post
    Just make sure you yell, "Drop the weapon" as you're shooting. So as all the witnesses can say that you gave him a chance to put his gun down.


    Now I have to check the icebox for a piece cheesecake?
    no man, you gotta yell, "He's coming right for us!"


    first thing i would yell? "check please!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber View Post
    no man, you gotta yell, "He's coming right for us!"


    first thing i would yell? "check please!"
    Now that's funny!
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    This is a "similar scenario" that was given in my LEO "Oral Boards"

    LEOs were required to carry 24/7 (technically on "duty") in those days.
    The "correct" answer was
    1. Be READY to take action, but DO NOT unless you "adjudge" there is NO other recourse.
    2. Observe, & be an "expert witness"

    Why ??

    Taking "action" in a situation like this is "courting disaster" No matter how "good" you are, taking the BG down BEFORE He/She gets a shot off (even if he is Technically DEAD,) is VERY ???? Plus your round ??

    Qkay, now reality -

    I have the "T shirt"

    I was @ a restaurant with a Date when IT happened.
    1. I was an Expert shot ( an Instructor) & carrying a .357 2.5" 19.
    2. We were seated in the md. of the restaurant when it "went down."
    3. I drew & placed my gun on my thigh.
    4. Told my Date to place her purse on the table & remain calm. & say nothing.
    5. I placed my wallet ( sans my LE ID) & money clip on the table, plus my "off hand was on the table.
    6. He soon made it to the table next to us & "offered" me a shot. Did I take it ?? ( I REALLY wanted to But NO. Why ?? My call.
    7. He took our "goodies & after 2 more tables he turned & left ( 2 more ops to take him. Did I = NO.
    8. As he left I "discretely followed, because I was "worried about him confronting a "patron entering " & Panicking.
    9. In the Lobby his "partner ( a female) had the Cashier & server "covered."
    10. I watched them leave, got the "plates", called it in.
    11. RESULT
    a. BGs caught by local PD
    b. All got "stuff back"
    c. No collateral damage
    d. LOST a "girl friend". She thought I was a "coward."for not "Acting"
    It is YOUR CALL.

    Puffer

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    This is a way is which life is fair. Everyone with the capabilities gets to make their own decision and live with, or die with it depending on the outcome. Having the capabilities allows you the luxury of having the choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puffer View Post
    This is a "similar scenario" that was given in my LEO "Oral Boards"

    LEOs were required to carry 24/7 (technically on "duty") in those days.
    The "correct" answer was
    1. Be READY to take action, but DO NOT unless you "adjudge" there is NO other recourse.
    2. Observe, & be an "expert witness"

    Why ??

    Taking "action" in a situation like this is "courting disaster" No matter how "good" you are, taking the BG down BEFORE He/She gets a shot off (even if he is Technically DEAD,) is VERY ???? Plus your round ??

    Qkay, now reality -

    I have the "T shirt"

    I was @ a restaurant with a Date when IT happened.
    1. I was an Expert shot ( an Instructor) & carrying a .357 2.5" 19.
    2. We were seated in the md. of the restaurant when it "went down."
    3. I drew & placed my gun on my thigh.
    4. Told my Date to place her purse on the table & remain calm. & say nothing.
    5. I placed my wallet ( sans my LE ID) & money clip on the table, plus my "off hand was on the table.
    6. He soon made it to the table next to us & "offered" me a shot. Did I take it ?? NO Why ?? My call.
    7. He took our "goodies & after 2 more tables he turned & left ( 2 more ops to take him. Did I = NO.
    8. As he left I "descreatly followed, because I was "worried about him confronting a "patron entering " & Panicking.
    9. In the Lobby his "partner ( a female) had the Cashier & server "covered."
    10. I watched them leave, got the "plates", called it in.
    11. RESULT
    a. BGs caught by local PD
    b. All got "stuff back"
    c. No collateral damage
    d. LOST a "girl friend". She thought I was a "coward."for not "Acting"
    It is YOUR CALL.

    Puffer
    Interesting and insightful response.

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    ummmm Cheesecake....
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    Quote Originally Posted by puffer View Post
    This is a "similar scenario" that was given in my LEO "Oral Boards"

    LEOs were required to carry 24/7 (technically on "duty") in those days.
    The "correct" answer was
    1. Be READY to take action, but DO NOT unless you "adjudge" there is NO other recourse.
    2. Observe, & be an "expert witness"

    Why ??

    Taking "action" in a situation like this is "courting disaster" No matter how "good" you are, taking the BG down BEFORE He/She gets a shot off (even if he is Technically DEAD,) is VERY ???? Plus your round ??

    Qkay, now reality -

    I have the "T shirt"

    I was @ a restaurant with a Date when IT happened.
    1. I was an Expert shot ( an Instructor) & carrying a .357 2.5" 19.
    2. We were seated in the md. of the restaurant when it "went down."
    3. I drew & placed my gun on my thigh.
    4. Told my Date to place her purse on the table & remain calm. & say nothing.
    5. I placed my wallet ( sans my LE ID) & money clip on the table, plus my "off hand was on the table.
    6. He soon made it to the table next to us & "offered" me a shot. Did I take it ?? ( I REALLY wanted to But NO. Why ?? My call.
    7. He took our "goodies & after 2 more tables he turned & left ( 2 more ops to take him. Did I = NO.
    8. As he left I "discretely followed, because I was "worried about him confronting a "patron entering " & Panicking.
    9. In the Lobby his "partner ( a female) had the Cashier & server "covered."
    10. I watched them leave, got the "plates", called it in.
    11. RESULT
    a. BGs caught by local PD
    b. All got "stuff back"
    c. No collateral damage
    d. LOST a "girl friend". She thought I was a "coward."for not "Acting"
    It is YOUR CALL.

    Puffer


    Excellent post. The consequences of acting could have been dire. the partner you did not see could have panicked and opened fire into a crowded restaurant spilling innocent blood. It could have went as easily bad as it could have went good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puffer View Post
    This is a "similar scenario" that was given in my LEO "Oral Boards"

    LEOs were required to carry 24/7 (technically on "duty") in those days.
    The "correct" answer was
    1. Be READY to take action, but DO NOT unless you "adjudge" there is NO other recourse.
    2. Observe, & be an "expert witness"

    Why ??

    Taking "action" in a situation like this is "courting disaster" No matter how "good" you are, taking the BG down BEFORE He/She gets a shot off (even if he is Technically DEAD,) is VERY ???? Plus your round ??

    Qkay, now reality -

    I have the "T shirt"

    I was @ a restaurant with a Date when IT happened.
    1. I was an Expert shot ( an Instructor) & carrying a .357 2.5" 19.
    2. We were seated in the md. of the restaurant when it "went down."
    3. I drew & placed my gun on my thigh.
    4. Told my Date to place her purse on the table & remain calm. & say nothing.
    5. I placed my wallet ( sans my LE ID) & money clip on the table, plus my "off hand was on the table.
    6. He soon made it to the table next to us & "offered" me a shot. Did I take it ?? ( I REALLY wanted to But NO. Why ?? My call.
    7. He took our "goodies & after 2 more tables he turned & left ( 2 more ops to take him. Did I = NO.
    8. As he left I "discretely followed, because I was "worried about him confronting a "patron entering " & Panicking.
    9. In the Lobby his "partner ( a female) had the Cashier & server "covered."
    10. I watched them leave, got the "plates", called it in.
    11. RESULT
    a. BGs caught by local PD
    b. All got "stuff back"
    c. No collateral damage
    d. LOST a "girl friend". She thought I was a "coward."for not "Acting"
    It is YOUR CALL.

    Puffer
    exceptional response...well done...

    it worked out very well and credit for avoiding the conflict and facilitating the capture...

    how many times have you thought about what could have gone wrong and what choices you would have had?...

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    I would shoot him for a piece of blueberry cheesecake!

    No, not really, but once he's pulled the handgun and began his table to table theft, he is now a target. It's time to end his career and make robbery more dangeous than it used to be. Make sure that nobody is behind him so the rounds placed at center-mass do not exit and hit innocent folk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bladenbullet View Post

    how many times have you thought about what could have gone wrong and what choices you would have had?...
    A LOT over the ensuing years. ( over 40 years, I was about 26 @ the time)

    Since then I have done a "wee" bit of training of others ( LEOs & civilians) Plus a LOT of talk with other individuals. I never have regretted "MY call"

    Puffer

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    Perhaps he realized he shouldn't mess with a man bad enough to wear a skirt. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Perhaps he realized he shouldn't mess with a man bad enough to wear a skirt. ;-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by puffer View Post
    This is a "similar scenario" that was given in my LEO "Oral Boards"

    LEOs were required to carry 24/7 (technically on "duty") in those days.
    The "correct" answer was
    1. Be READY to take action, but DO NOT unless you "adjudge" there is NO other recourse.
    2. Observe, & be an "expert witness"

    Why ??

    Taking "action" in a situation like this is "courting disaster" No matter how "good" you are, taking the BG down BEFORE He/She gets a shot off (even if he is Technically DEAD,) is VERY ???? Plus your round ??

    Qkay, now reality -

    I have the "T shirt"

    I was @ a restaurant with a Date when IT happened.
    1. I was an Expert shot ( an Instructor) & carrying a .357 2.5" 19.
    2. We were seated in the md. of the restaurant when it "went down."
    3. I drew & placed my gun on my thigh.
    4. Told my Date to place her purse on the table & remain calm. & say nothing.
    5. I placed my wallet ( sans my LE ID) & money clip on the table, plus my "off hand was on the table.
    6. He soon made it to the table next to us & "offered" me a shot. Did I take it ?? ( I REALLY wanted to But NO. Why ?? My call.
    7. He took our "goodies & after 2 more tables he turned & left ( 2 more ops to take him. Did I = NO.
    8. As he left I "discretely followed, because I was "worried about him confronting a "patron entering " & Panicking.
    9. In the Lobby his "partner ( a female) had the Cashier & server "covered."
    10. I watched them leave, got the "plates", called it in.
    11. RESULT
    a. BGs caught by local PD
    b. All got "stuff back"
    c. No collateral damage
    d. LOST a "girl friend". She thought I was a "coward."for not "Acting"
    It is YOUR CALL.

    Puffer
    +1
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    I would maybe shoot, depending on how he was acting in the scenario. However in reality if I am on cheese cake by this point it probably also means I am on my second martini which means I am sitting there and finishing my drink and cake, and handing over my wallet and Timex watch, if he really wants it. Also I probably wouldn’t even have a firearm on me for that reason in this case.

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