This is a discussion on Trying to fight while carrying. within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by bladenbullet guantes...the tactic is taught by others as "tactical drama"...the verbal giving in and begging for mercy reiforces the control of the ...
If he approaches you with some kind of weapon like a knife or a lead pipe then those are deadly weapons and the fact that he's carrying them and approaching you means you have a justifiable belief that he intends to use them on you. In this situation, a gun is an equal level of force and can be drawn, pointed, or shot at him.
If he doesn't have a weapon, then you need to wait until his fists become a deadly weapon. Pushing you around is not enough. You have to wait for him to throw a blow at you. Only then can you draw your weapon. So yeah, given that this is how the law is, it is good if you have some martial arts ability to deflect those first few blows before you have legal justification to use a firearm.
"In a world of compromise, some don't." -HK
Last edited by romansten9; June 11th, 2010 at 12:38 AM. Reason: clarified
In some cases he lowers his center of gravity. screams in pain whether it hurts or not and turns slightly away from the BG while placing his free hand over the hand of the BG that is squeezing. he follows up by either reversing his direction and rotating and break the BG's wrist or continues in the original circular direction and doing the same.
It takes almost no effort and is accomplished very quickly. The key in that is to sell to the attacker that you are powerless.
Proven combat techniques may not be flashy and may require a bit more physical effort on the part of the shooter. Further, they may not win competition matches, but they will help ensure your survival in a shooting or gunfight on the street. ~Paul Howe
Hartleys Rule: If in a fight you get so much as a scratch, you did not bring enough force.
Will play with it Monday if I get a chance.
In your scenario, (assuming the attacker is right handed and shaking your right hand) is the attacker's radius bone pointing up, like in a regular handshake? Are you using your free hand to snap the radius? To dislocate or separate it from the lunate and scaphoid bone?
Here's a url to a pic with the bones of the hand named. Anterior view of Right Hand
in my scenario it is a regular grip (thumb up) where the force is forward and downward (hold your hand out and squeeze your fist). best part is the wrist twist/break can be done one handed if they really commit to the squeeze....if not...bring in the free hand.
from a wrist grab after employing some sort of strike I like to rotate the wrist being grabbed and use the blade of the grabbed hand to put pressure on the wrist of the attacker and use the free hand to keep it tight....or rotate the hand counter clockwise to break free of the grip and run...
I haven't been in a "fight" since the ninth grade, and that was a looong time ago.
As a former LEO I've had to put hands on people lots of times. If your going to carry you need to know how to protect your weapon, and you should know some self defense. Young cops make the mistake of drawing their weapon in a non-shooting situation thinking the BG is going to stop. If he doesn't, and wants to fight, now you have to worry about your gun. It's hard to fight with one hand.
I worked undercover for years, and as long as the BG doesn't know you have a weapon, you have the advantage. At the point you are if fear of your life or someone else, draw your weapon, but make sure if you draw it, you are justified to use it.
The drawn weapon, by LE, is not always to get the perp to stop his activity it is to give you an edge if he decides to go "all in".