This is a discussion on When Tacti-cool doesn't pay within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by MSteve That sign just screams "Wait till I leave the house to rob me. Free guns inside." Agreed...unless it's followed up with ...
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"Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the **** out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."
Or maybe 5.11 pants are comfortable, utilitarian and extremely wear resistant...so some of the people that wear them are just wearing quality pants?
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There is an old Japanese saying that, loosely translated, says "the nail that sticks out will be hammered down."
I teach my students to use the "I don't want to fight" stance. Hands up and open, fingertips at eye/ear level, elbows bent. Looks non-violent, but is a good ready-to-block/strike stance. Slightly left-forward stance if your gun is on your right hip (most black belts in our organization CC and we practice weapons retention a lot).
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I remember in the 90s when photographers vests and fanny packs were the CCW gear of choice. To this day, unless it is a 70yr old lady at a casino, I will assume anyone wearing a fanny pack to be armed. I do still see some people wearing the photog vests also....they are usually behind the counter at a local gun shop.
So grey man rules. Tactical gear needs to be kept on the range where it belongs. Don't look like you own a gun. Don't advertise that you own a gun. BUT, BUT, BUT........ he was coming from the range.
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Thinking that this is an attractor for criminals doesn't really pan out. It was an isolated incident, and it had nothing to do with the gear they were wearing. They were at a range, and the criminals followed them home. They planned this whole thing. It wasn't a random encounter where brazen criminals targeted these jerks for the clothes they were wearing.
That being said, I open carry 90% of the time. I don't wear tactical clothing, I just open carry. That's my deterrent, and where I live it works. If I was going into a city I would choose to conceal and blend in.
I consider Hidari Gamae (Left stance) my go to stance as well I can put my left hand out fingers open saying "Stop!" or "Wait" or "please don't hurt me" or w/e when i'm actually in a fighting stance. Or if its an escalating situation I have my right hand on my hip and left arm out if its a close range situation.I teach my students to use the "I don't want to fight" stance. Hands up and open, fingertips at eye/ear level, elbows bent. Looks non-violent, but is a good ready-to-block/strike stance. Slightly left-forward stance if your gun is on your right hip (most black belts in our organization CC and we practice weapons retention a lot).
No 5.11 cargos here... I like my Carhartts. I wear Carhartt Khakis to work. They have deep front pockets for my flashlight and clipped knife along with a discreet cell phone pouch on the right leg.
I really wish Carhartt made jeans in this config as I don't want to wear carpenter jeans with the hammer loop and baggier fit, so for now on the weekends it's just regular Carhartt jeans.
Shirts are usually a polo or t-shirt, maybe a logo, but nothing firearms related.
I do wear hats quite a bit, usually with a sports logo, unless it's pouring out then I break out the NRA waterproof one to walk the dogs.
This is similar to the people that drive around with "protected bymanufacture of choice__________ on their cars or have similar signs on their homes.
To me that's just advertising that there may be something of value in your car or truck.
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I walk around wearing my old BDUs or ACUs because I want people to know I've got things covered.
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OP, I'm curious if you own any BDU-type pants or wicking shirts. If you did, you would see that they are very functional apparel. I don't do malls or crowded spaces in general and I don't wear vests but I can assure you that the specialized clothing has a purpose other than looking cool. As some one else has already stated, if you train regularly, and I don't mean shooting paper from a static position at the local range, this gear is an indispensable part of your training apparatus, for one. There are other reasons but its neither here or there. It seems to me that if object to that mode of dress, then don't wear the stuff. But what purpose does it serve to dole out advice to others as if your point of view is the only one worth having? FreeAmerican hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not really. I'll do me and you do you. That's what makes America great.
Different strokes for different folks man. I still can't wrap my head around why some are so opinionated about the dress habits and modes of firearm carry of other people.
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I couldn't agree more. It's amateurs who advertise like that. I'll have to admit to sporting a Smith and Wesson hat though. They were giving them away free to customers on opening day at the new Cabelas store in my little burg. Just couldn't turn down a freebee.When Tacti-cool doesn't pay
Have you ever been at the mall and seen an "adventurous" type with a "discrete" carry vest and some 5.11's on and thought, "Geeze, could he be any more obvious"?I know you've had to have seen this guy somewhere before. He's advertising to the world that he has a gun and some cool guy gear. Unaware to himself what he is not showing us is that he is a skilled marksman or real world operator, because those guys don't have to play dress up to go to Piggly Wiggly
Maybe I'm just new. Perhaps it's because I'm dumb.
What the heck is the difference between 5.11 "tactical gear" and my cargo pants from LL Bean or REI? What's the difference between the EOTAC shirts and the ones I get from LL Bean or REI? What's the difference between the belts? What about the "tactical vest" in the store and the fleece vest I have in my closet? If I'm hiking the AT in Shenandoah National Park and I'm wearing a pair of "tacical" boots, would I be less of a mall ninja had I simply worn my Timberland hiking boots?
I don't mean to sound condescending, but those all look quite similar, both in look and feel. The one glaring difference that I can see is the "ninja"-like accessibility that the "tactical" gear gives to my carry weapon that the LL Bean doesn't offer. Otherwise, I feel the need to be enlightened.