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Surrendering your weapon

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    Thanks for the post tacman605

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    Because he has my wife, I would try to take control of the situation by throwing my wallet towards the door away from my wife, giving him his "out" and telling him he can take the wallet, but I'm not disarming myself and he needs to realize that's his best choice. Under no circumstance is he leaving with my wife. Take the money and run. I would just have to trust in law enforcement to catch him later. By myself, whole nother' story.
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    Great topic with many thought provoking responses generated. Thank you sir.

    I didn't change any of my thoughts on the matter, but I certainly validated them, and also realized I need to train more at making those difficult shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9MMare View Post
    If it was 'the only' way you're surviving, why didnt he just shoot everyone on the way in?

    I'm not saying he wont shoot anyone else, however your black and white statement is not supported by the facts of the scenario.
    My point was simply that relying on the whim of a violent attacker who has shown what he's capable of doesn't equate to having a high chance of escaping unharmed in such situations. In this particular scenario as painted, perhaps it's different than the "usual" such situation. Don't know, myself. I'm simply saying that reliance on such a risky choice isn't for me, given the odds.
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    ".....why didn't he just shoot everyone on the way in?

    By gaining control of most if not all those in the location first, he reduces if not eliminates the possiblity of escape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
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    I didn't change any of my thoughts on the matter, but I certainly validated them, and also realized I need to train more at making those difficult shots.

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    We did this recently, taking a page from our karate/aikibujitsu testings, for our handgun training: Work out really hard, I mean really hard for 30 minutes or so: you're sweating, can barely catch your breath, muscles to the point of failure, you feel like you're going to puke you're so exhausted.

    Then practice your draw-from-deep-cover/fire at small target. Most likely not only will you miss, you will miss by a lot. It's eye-opening.
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    When I first started carrying, the wife and I sat down and had a long conversation about this type of scenario. I told her that as much as I loved her I would never surrender my weapon. Surrendering your weapon only results in your SO and you being disarmed and shot. The BGs generally don't leave witnesses anymore. I might still go down but not alone! YMMV
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    I'd take the shot,,,,, I can always get a new wife!

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    15 seconds is plenty of time to take aim, regulate breathing, and slowly squeeze.

    I doubt he would shoot the hostage at this point because that would leave him without his cover.

    After the first shot is off, all bets are off though. MOVE out of the line of fire (or get off the X) and continue shooting/finding cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Strokes View Post
    15 seconds is plenty of time to take aim, regulate breathing, and slowly squeeze.
    Yeah the above-mentioned workout doesn't make the shot impossible, just a lot more difficult. Ditto the adrenaline rush, heart rate increase, etc. occurring when you're facing a life or death scenario like this.

    It's why you need to practice under those physical conditions - there's just no way, aside from actual combat experience, to assume you're going to hit your target unless you know how it feels to be under that stress load; and all the workout can do is approximate that load.

    It's why we do that type of workout before our karate or jujitsu/Krav testings; you find out all the fine-motor skills are gone when you most need them...
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