Surrendering your weapon
This is a discussion on Surrendering your weapon within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by BikerRN
Howdy Mr. Guantes.
I have only one concern at that moment and will do what I think is best given my ...
June 19th, 2010 12:52 PM
This is all anyone can do. I wish us both luck, should we ever be put in such an undesirable situation.
Originally Posted by BikerRN
You stay safe also.
June 19th, 2010 01:01 PM
Each person must make the decision based on a number of things most are familiar with. Then they will have to live with that decision.
One point that I think is clear. "IF" he shoots your wife befor you take a shot, you have failed. I choose to rely on my own ability, rather than his sensitivity/humanity.
June 19th, 2010 01:14 PM
You all missed the only correct answer. Tell BG listen we are going thru a bitter divorse and she is tring to take my kids away from me. Now that my kids are safe over here. I dont give a hoot what happens to her. Take her with you so I can sit down and finish my diner. If this statement does not get the BG to have a puzzled look on his face and lower his gun for a second. Nothing will. So as he lowers firearm he is getting a headshot.
I will deal with the Mrs being pissed later.
June 19th, 2010 01:21 PM
15 seconds? I'm putting my bullet into his eye.
Trust in God and keep your powder dry
"A heavily armed citizenry is not about overthrowing the government; it is about preventing the government from overthrowing liberty. A people stripped of their right of self defense is defenseless against their own government." -source
June 19th, 2010 01:43 PM
+1 to keeping the gun hidden but since we are playing by the OPs rules....
Originally Posted by sentioch
I seek cover so I don't get shot and let the mexican standoff ensue. I'm not giving up my gun and I explain to him that if he shoots my wife he is next to die. I would look for an open shot if one became available. More likely I would just try to talk him into leaving without hurting anyone else.
"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic." Ted Nugent
June 19th, 2010 01:50 PM
I have tried to give my thoughts in bold above...I have trained from 15 yards in, moving left, right, forward, back, angle forward, angle back. I have confidence in my target acquisition ability and the running of my EDC. As is proven, I hope that I will default to the level of training that I have mastered. My wife and I have discussed mindset, choices, and preparation for what will happen prior to, during, and after a life altering experience. I pray every day that I never experience anything like this, but also pray for the strength to meet the BG headon with deadly accuracy. JMO
Originally Posted by tacman605
Sometimes in life you have to stand your ground. It's a hard lesson to learn and even most adults don't get it, but in the end only I can be responsible for my life. If faced with any type of adversity, only I can overcome it. Waiting for someone else to take responsibility is a long fruitless wait.
June 19th, 2010 02:00 PM
This does not sound like my wife. Her SA is WAY better than mine. But.. ok, ok...
I have a pretty hard and fast rule with my kids. No one leaves with them. That's pretty much the way I feel with my wife. Depending on his demeanor and my level of stress (how steady am I, how much of a target is there, where is the gun aimed right now) would be what makes my decision. If I feel steady enough, have a good target, and it's going south there is a good chance I would shoot. If my nerves are shot from the adrenaline then I'm hoping my wife looks for a chance to drop to give me a better shot. It's what I used to call situational discretion, letting the situation determine how you react. If he decides to take her hostage and leave the rules change drastically!
All that said, if I pre drew my weapon it would be to the side of my leg or just behind. Precisely to avoid being made.
HKinNY, priceless answer!
I prefer to live dangerously free than safely caged!
"Our houses are protected by the good Lord and a gun. And you might meet 'em both if you show up here not welcome son." Josh Thompson "Way Out Here"
June 19th, 2010 02:07 PM
I go with this one, adding one bang for a total of 5 (5 round cylinder in the revolver). Also I had to substitute "helpless relative" for wife - my wife, like me, is a 3rd - almost 4th - degree black belt, well versed in striking and grappling. He grabs her, it's the last thing he'll ever grab, and he'll be begging me to shoot him to end his misery.
Originally Posted by AzB
But let's say he grabbed a helpless 2 year old...I'd go with the above. "Surrender" the main carry, draw the BUG (maybe saying "Okay, I dropped it and here's my wallet,") and end it.
The "option" of him leaving with the hostage, or me trusting that he'll take the money and leave the hostage OK, is not really an option as I'm not that trusting.
"Be justified. Blood may be easily wiped from the sword.
It cannot, however, be put back from where it came." --Quicksabre
June 19th, 2010 02:09 PM
Guys this scenario is presented to make you think of your level of training and confidence in your abilities.
The question is can you under stress put a shot or shots into a 4-5 inch target, the head, or 6-8 inch target, the shoulder/arm and be prepared for follow up shots if needed at a range of 12 yards with your current carry weapon.
I attempted to fill in all the gaps i.e. kids are safe behind hard cover, there is a safe backstop, the brick wall, the hammer is down on the revolver meaning it will take a significant stroke on the trigger to fire a round.
The responses are good keep them coming.
"A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013
June 19th, 2010 02:30 PM
It's pretty much all the same after you remove the window dressing. At the point that I feel my life is in danger, I am shooting the threat. I will continue shooting as best as I can as fast as I can and maybe start moving to increase distance until my life is no longer in danger.
June 19th, 2010 02:39 PM
I have the ability to make the shot and I have no doubt that I would take the shot, while closing the distance between us; there would be blood shed, but at least it would be on my terms.
June 19th, 2010 02:51 PM
Answer from my head: So if I've already drawn my weapon in my usually practiced manner it would be with both hands on the gun (my usual shooting grip) and both arms extended forward with sights on his head, safety off. I carry a crimson trace equipped Kimber - if that red dot confirms my sight picture he will never say 14. I can make that shot repeatedly at the range.
Answer from my emotions: Just thinking about this scenario intently makes my hands start trembling.
I'm going to keep that red dot on his head and pull the trigger while he's talking.
"It is easier to resist at the beginning than at the end"____Leonardo da Vinci 1452-1519
June 19th, 2010 02:51 PM
Not a situation I wish to consider. What ever I think or say now, when it hasn't happened, is most likely not going to be what I actually do if in that position.
Retired USAF E-8. Lighten up and enjoy life because:
Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid...
Buffalo Springfield - For What It's Worth
June 19th, 2010 02:57 PM
Normally I hate this type of thread because it brings out the chest thumping macho men but
something about it got me really thinking. My wife is the only human being on the face of this planet that I truly love. No matter what else happened I would kill the guy. I do not have the words to express that sentiment strongly enough but I assure you that if you harm my wife I willkill you regardless of the consequenses to myself you will die.
June 19th, 2010 03:11 PM
Nice scenario. I've discussed such scenarios with my wife and trained her in what to do in various scenarios (self-defense) (insert Grandkids) and in such a scenario as this, it would be one word from me to her "Drop" and she would instantly put elbow to wherever and become dead weight and I don't care who you are, dead weight going down will leave enough of you vulnerable enough and more then enough target area for me to acquire and I'm taking my best shots.
I do admit the talking about letting her go and him going his own way (the stand off scenario) without anything but his life is a good possibility and one that he would probably take, shooting someone in the thigh/leg is not the same as killing someone, lets keep this in perspective here.
"I dislike death, however, there are some things I dislike more than death. Therefore, there are times when I will not avoid danger" Mencius"
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