This is a discussion on unthinkable horrible scenario-based on recent news within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by crankinNM 95% are saying that........... Actually the intent is not to cause you harm. The intent is to get your "stuff" by ...
A hand gun is like a fire extinguisher , I wish to use neither, but have both on hand in case of need ; both are personal protection devices that serve the same purpose . ie safety of you and your family.
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If same said youth was heading straight for you in a speeding car, what would be the difference???
He's more than likely getting shot, in my book.
Martin Luther King, Jr.:
Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the question, 'Is it politic?' Vanity asks the question, 'Is it popular?' But, conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor
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"I dislike death, however, there are some things I dislike more than death. Therefore, there are times when I will not avoid danger" Mencius"
While it may seem harsh to shoot at a 12 year old... who we would like to believe (in some alternate reality) could have been a good kid... a 14 year old suspect, in the custody of a local cop, for theft, hit and/or knocked the officer down, causing traumatic brain injury to the officer.
The officer may never be on patrol again... and is not the man his wife and child knew him to be before the incident...
I'm sorry, I still have to shoot, if I have determined the gun the kid has is real...
A good friend of mine took his family out to McDonalds one night. He discovered he didn't have enough money, so he left his family there and went down the street to the ATM.
As he was doing his transaction, a young boy appeared and shot my friend. My friend died.
The boy didn't even take the money hanging out of the ATM. It was presumed to be a gang initiation. The camera caught it all, and the boy was caught.
These days, there seems to be no value placed on human life.
Regardless of whether or not the kid has the ability to think through the long-term consequences of his actions, I have that ability, and the long-term consequences of me not shooting him are quite possibly me being dead, and therefore the sudden cessation of my concern for any long-term consequences at all.
Note to self: The only way to win is not to play.
If he's close enough for me to grab without having to walk/run to him, I'm pushing the gun the away and taking him down with my hands.
If he's not close enough and I'm certain he's got a real gun, I will probably draw and fire my weapon. How I will do so is completely dependent on the situation.
Also, in my chosen profession, I've seen plenty fake guns that I wouldn't know were fake until a closer examination than looking down the barrel from 10 feet. If you're waiting to be sure the gun is real, you're even farther behind the curve.
All I can say to those who choose either of these two routes is....GOOD LUCK!!
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
"Unless I know for certain that the gun is a toy...." is what I said previously... That's different from "I'm certain he's got a real gun" (but I did say something like that in my second post.)
Let me put it this way for clarity:
IF I AM NOT POSITIVE THE GUN IS A TOY, I will draw, and if need be, fire my weapon.
Blind, Crippled, Crazy....8, 18, or 80.
The last thing I want to hear as I'm dying is....."Oh sorry Mr., I thought this was like the PS3 game "Grand Theft Auto". Ooooops!"
If you cannot kill someone who's about to KILL YOU, no matter the age, the sex, or the build, then put your DEADLY weapon in the safe and stay in your room, locked safely away in your little safety bubbles. The world is a dangerous place, and even KIDS have strapped bombs to themselves, and killed others.
Stop acting like we're fightin' for "freedom". We are ALREADY....free.
Point taken. I do believe however that if he is close enough for me to reach him without having to move my legs, I can grab his arm in at least half the time it would take me to draw and shoot. The difference is, I can probably draw significantly more discreetly, at least to begin with.
My issue is the age. 13 is awfully young to make a mistake that you can't recover from. I think it's safe to say we all did some fairly stupid stuff at young ages. Of course, nothing so wreckless and stupid as to point a gun at somebody, but stupid nonetheless.
Also, I'm considering I encounter this situation by myself. If I were to have a loved one with me, I would have a much colder approach.