Forced into car

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    I drive a solid steel Ford 4x4 pick-up with oversized all-terrain tires that was made in 1994, and has 190k on it and has a junkyard front end on it (been wrecked in the front.) Short of them being in a larger pickup/suv/vehicle than mine, when I ram them, I will win. Even if their larger than me, I'm going for the pit manuever. Only problem is, my old clunky Ford aint the fastest thing on the block , LOL


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    Yell, "That's my wife and she has koodies, your problem now"

    Seriously, think I'd close the gap as close as I could get, hopefully behind cover and throw some lead. No way would I let em' leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Now, if my mother-in-law were being forced into a car, I'd make a 180 degree turn, wait at the far end of the parking lot...they'd eventually bring her back. I might even require them to pay a reverse ransom for me to take her off of their hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzB View Post
    You watch way too much tv.

    There are a lot of variables here, but if there's anything I can do to prevent my wife being taken into the car, I'm gonna do it. Fast and hard.
    Yeah that's not really likely to happen.

    Regarding the scenario, Im sure my wife would rather go at my hands, trying to save her from the impending rape/ditch scenario. But then again, my wife would be armed to begin with.

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    I'm going to do my very best to kill both of the BG's as soon as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    No one is forcing any of my family into a car...at least not while I behind the wheel of a 3000 pound bullet.

    Now, if my mother-in-law were being forced into a car, I'd make a 180 degree turn, wait at the far end of the parking lot...they'd eventually bring her back. I might even require them to pay a reverse ransom for me to take her off of their hands.
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    What about talking to your significant other and asking what he or she would be comfortable/acceptable with?

    Being in a relationship is about trust and mutual respect. I'm not saying it would absolve a partner from liability, guilt or exercising their own judgment of the situation but knowing what your significant other would prefer in these kinds of situations is akin (in my mind) to knowing whether they would want to be kept alive on a respirator or not. Kind of a living will type of situation.

    Unique situations dictate unique actions, of course, but it's a start.

    My husband and I have talked about this extensively.

    I asked him once if he was ever being held at gun point if I had his permission to shoot (if I reasonably thought I could make the shot) given the chance that he might be hit in the process.

    He said I had his permission.

    This helps takes pressure off of what I think he might be okay with or not if that time would ever come.

    We are adults capable of thinking through these kinds of scenarios and having an opinion as to how we think a situation could be handled.

    Since I have never heard of a spontaneous grab of an adult male and no one in their right mind would ever try to wrestle my husband to the car, more than likely I'm going to be the one to be found behind the muzzle of a pistol, being escorted to a vehicle.

    #1 I'm never getting into a car alive because nine times out of ten I won't live to tell about it all anyway.

    #2 In the event that I cannot fight myself (unconscious, etc) my husband has my permission and encouragement to open fire. I know his skills, training and ability and I'm confident in his abilities.

    If I get hit in the process I can take a little comfort in the knowledge that if the wound is not lethal help will be arriving quickly.

    I'd rather die on the scene than have some dog walker find my body in a gutter three days later, raped, beaten, tortured, whatever.

    My husband has permission to open fire. In the process I will try to be as small of a target as possible.

    Of course he will use his best judgment and try to keep me safe and not shoot me.

    Now, if I saw my child being abducted? I'm doing all I can including opening fire.

    He's too young to reasonably fight back. He's also too young to express an educated opinion as to whether he would want me to open fire or not. He's my responsibility and I'd rather see him die at the scene than go the rest of my life wondering what may have happened to him or for someone to discover him dead somewhere else having suffered abuse.

    But, given the situation there are options including following in your own vehicle and communicating with authorities. Trying to block them in. Shooting tires. Anything to preserve life before the bullets start flying. But as a last option I would certainly try it before watching helpless as someone took my baby away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    No one is forcing any of my family into a car...at least not while I behind the wheel of a 3000 pound bullet.

    Now, if my mother-in-law were being forced into a car, I'd make a 180 degree turn, wait at the far end of the parking lot...they'd eventually bring her back. I might even require them to pay a reverse ransom for me to take her off of their hands.
    In my case, I'd offer to top off their gas and get a few snacks for them so they don't have to stop until they are looooong gone. While they're doing that, I'm changing my address so she can't tell them where to bring her back!! And they will. A bullet wouldn't stop her from yakking.
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    Thanks for the replies everyone. I know that like any scenario the best situation would be to never have been in it in the first place.
    I thought about it some more and if I absolutely could not stop them before they got her in the car (which is the scenario, I would be doing everything I could to not let it get that far), I would try to ram/block their vehicle and then go at them fast and hard with my gun drawn. They won't be expecting someone in the parking lot to act with that kind of force. Definitely call 911 at the first opportunity but if there's anything I can do to not let them leave then that comes first.
    Hopefully none of us ever have to experience this.

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    Been away for a couple days so I missed out on this one.
    I agree with the preponderance of posters who say that they are not leaving.
    As always circumstances will dictate actions. I think there may be a window of opportunity. There is a good probability that one perp will force the wife in the car, either the front or back seat, while the other enters as the driver. During that separation, take out the driver and the vehicle isn't going anywhere. From there it will be a "play it by ear" situation. I am not at all above lying to the prep in whatever means necessary to achieve a desired ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edclacro View Post
    As soon as I saw said situation, I would walk quickly toward the perps, try to get within 10ft or less draw my weapon and shoot the one holding my wife.Hopefully I could shoot his partner to. It seems to me that this would be way bettor than having two guys kidnap my wife. For me this is not the type of situation to mess around. You have to get control back. You can't let them get your wife in the car.
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    I with the "they're not leaving" group.

    Recently the local SO was experimenting to find a patrol rifle that would immediately stop an engine. They put a running car on the range and shot it with a .50 Beauwolf. It failed - engine kept humming along. Stick with the radiator shots. As for shooting tires, I'd aim at the bottom - it's already flat there and if you're a little low the bullet could skip into the rubber. Or get directly behind a tire.

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    I'm gonna vote not to send the unarmed/weaker person into the store alone in the first place, probably safer to leave them IN the car.

    Just about every gas station/convenience store I have ever seen has had a glass front, or at least a lot of big windows -- if you must send them in you might think about training them to LOOK at the situation BEFORE they open the door so they don't walk into something if it can be avoided.

    If theoretically something did happen (lets say I took my sister to the gas station, she's 15) I'd also be in the they're not leaving without going through me first camp.

    I think if they did get away with it and you didn't TRY to stop them, you'd feel REALLY responsible. If you shot at them and your loved one died anyway, at least I could live with the fact that I tried my darndest.

    I would also like to throw out there that I drive a 1992 beater Ford Ranger, and I drove it around for 2 days with a busted water pump (I put water in everytime I stopped, but it was pouring back out on the pavement anyway) The faster you go, the fan runs more and it actually overheats less, so I'm not counting on a radiator shot to stop them.

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    I'm a mechanic. Shooting the radiator/engine is only gong to cause eventual engine damage. Your best hope is to hit the oil pan real low and hope they don't use Slick 50. Then engine will probably seize up in 4 or 5 minutes. Maybe get lucky and hit the fuel lines going into the intake. Flat tire, car will still drive. 2 flats, car will still drive, just not real well and you are putting others on the roads at risk.


    Following them...they are not exactly going to be putting along at the speed limit. Are you trained in high speed vehicle pursuit? You know they are really going to push it once they figure out you are following. Not to mention they have a hostage and one person that can be shooting at you without concentrating on the road.
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    Sticks, considering the adrenelin rush involved with a wife being abducted, it would be hard enough to hit tires and radiator, much less a lucky shot to a 1/4" fuel line or that tiny portion of oil pan that extends down.
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