Forced entry hostage scenario

Forced entry hostage scenario

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    Forced entry hostage scenario

    You're sitting in the recliner, watching television. Family member is walking through the house in a robe (maybe just got out of the shower). As he/she approaches front door to throw the dead bolt for the night, the door gets kicked in by two 30 - 40 yr old 6 foot 200 pound males. You grab your side arm and take aim, but one of the two has already taken him/her hostage, knife to throat from behind, other hand is got a handful of hair, to keep him/her still (25% of the invader's head is showing - distance 20 feet). Second invader shows revolver, aimed at you. They don't appear to be under the influence.
    "Drop the weapon. Take us upstairs (imagine you live in a 2 story house)! Where's the cash?!"
    Your move.


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    Talk through the situation ahead of time... if that happens.... She gestures to you (a wink, or says a key word)... one-one-thousand, two-one-thousand, three-one-thousand.... she makes her best move... you take the shot.

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    Yep, the wife and I talk about this constantly. At the cue she drops like a ton of rocks. This is only going to give you a very brief opening to act. We have discussed the fact that there is a stong chance that she may be cut or wounded but we would rather take the situation into our own hands, versus being at the mercy of some dirt bag. Remember, be swift, be vicious, and show no mercy. They have brought this fight to you and your family they deserve the worst that may happen to them.

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    Shot the hostage.

    As if most doors with a normal lock are kicked in with ease.

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    Question:
    What about the BG with his gun aimed at you? Doesn't he get you when you take the aimed shot at the BG with the knife?

    And WhoWeBe...most door can be kicked in, frame and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carguy2244 View Post

    And WhoWeBe...most door can be kicked in, frame and all.
    I've hit my share of doors a long time ago as a firefighter. Most doors do not just give with ease.

    I'm not trying to down play your scenario just telling the facts. Doors are tuff even with a single bolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carguy2244 View Post
    Question:
    What about the BG with his gun aimed at you? Doesn't he get you when you take the aimed shot at the BG with the knife?

    And WhoWeBe...most door can be kicked in, frame and all.
    Good point. I still am going with the "free the hostage" first. If I can bury two/three in his the hostage takers chest and free the hostage, I will take my chances confusing/surprising the other BG. If they are well organized and planned out - I might go down, but I am going down swinging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoWeBePart1 View Post
    I've hit my share of doors a long time ago as a firefighter. Most doors do not just give with ease.

    I'm not trying to down play your scenario just telling the facts. Doors are tuff even with a single bolt.
    I agree about the doors. Most people are not able to take a door down as easy as they think. A solid core or metal door is pretty tough. I've seen guys take a run at one and bounce off like a rubber ball. You might get threw it but it usually rakes a little work with out the proper tools.

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    Not happening, When my security lights go on they wont have time to get in door, With it OPEN, They go down as they come in ; )
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    Deadbolt has no business not being thrown at night when preparing for bed... and the dogs would have alerted us of people on the property.

    But we forgot. And the dogs weren't at home I guess...

    So, S.O. has knife at throat by BG1. BG2 is aiming at me, I am aiming at him.

    I have no choice but to pull the trigger on BG2 as needed to stop him while I'm moving toward the door. (there's no opportunity for cover, here... guns and weapons are in the open and engaged... this is a fight to the death.)

    BG1, in response, may cut S.O. or continue to threaten... If he cuts, I am in a better position to shoot, as a result of my moving on BG1... I may be injured, perhaps mortally. If I can (am physically able to) fire on BG2 I will.

    If BG2 continues to threaten, "his heart isn't in it." He has one opportunity to drop the knife and leave.

    This is a "no win" scenario... people are going to get hurt, perhaps die... I do not see any way around this... Bad men have me at a disadvantage, they have my wife (or S.O.) at a disadvantage, these disadvantages cannot be overcome without use of force... and I do not trust that once the BGs get the cash, anything will change. We may all be dead or gravely wounded by the time the PD gets there.
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    This is a very difficult call.
    The BGs are not high so have their faculties about them.
    The wife has neither the training or ability to move the knife and drop
    There is not a sufficient part of the knife wielders head exposed for a shot.
    My belief is that we will be killed even if we comply.

    Shoot the gunman to the ground while moving.
    I do not believe the knife wielder will cut the wife, after seeing his backup shot to the ground. He is sure to realize that if he does he is dead.
    A brief conversation will occur between me and the knife wielder, the subject or content of which I will not post.
    When the opportunity occurs, which I believe it will, eliminate the threat.

    It could go differently, if so do what is necessary to try to help us both survive.

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    My wife and I have discussed this very issue. She knows that with the first kick on the door, Mr. Glock will be welcoming the first dirtbag through the door.
    Our home is our castle and it will be defended with quick violence...no questions asked or required, my rules WILL apply.

    I too agree, I do not think that my front or back door can be kicked in with one try. Any noise indication such an attempt will be taken seriously.
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    No doubt somebody is gonna get hurt but I think I'd take out the BG with the gun. Hopefully that would surprise BG1 and my wife should take advantage of this to try and fight back get try to get out of the way. Move onto BG1 straight on, close the gap pointing the gun right at the eyeball, keep coming in. if he dont drop it. shoot...

    BG1 might cut my wife but he wont have any protection and he is knife vs gun.

    High risk but I don't think they are expecting any resistance..

    There would be a lot of distractions going on as our overly protective 100lb black lab would be all over BG2 with the knife.
    That's mama's boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carguy2244 View Post
    You're sitting in the recliner, watching television. Family member is walking through the house in a robe (maybe just got out of the shower). As he/she approaches front door to throw the dead bolt for the night, the door gets kicked in by two 30 - 40 yr old 6 foot 200 pound males. You grab your side arm and take aim, but one of the two has already taken him/her hostage, knife to throat from behind, other hand is got a handful of hair, to keep him/her still (25% of the invader's head is showing - distance 20 feet). Second invader shows revolver, aimed at you. They don't appear to be under the influence.
    "Drop the weapon. Take us upstairs (imagine you live in a 2 story house)! Where's the cash?!"
    Your move.
    As I grab my weapon I am coming out of the recliner...That in itself moves me TOWARD the two BG's. Because of the speed of the situation, the revolver will either be presented or is in the process of being presented. Either way, he receives my first rounds as soon as I see the revolver. Although my SO is in extreme danger with the other knife wielding BG, the knife wielder has become second choice. After eliminating the revolver BG, the one holding my wife has a choice to make. HE is now at the tactical disadvantage of only having the knife. He will either choose to let my SO go and exit the same door he entered, or he will cut my SO. If he cuts my SO, then he is definitely a dead man...If he chooses to release her, then I will still take the shot as soon as he does. If he has not cut my SO and has not released her, then at that point I must make an instantaneous decision to shoot. I pray this is a scenario that never occurs to any of us. JMO
    Sometimes in life you have to stand your ground. It's a hard lesson to learn and even most adults don't get it, but in the end only I can be responsible for my life. If faced with any type of adversity, only I can overcome it. Waiting for someone else to take responsibility is a long fruitless wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blastissimo View Post
    No doubt somebody is gonna get hurt but I think I'd take out the BG with the gun. Hopefully that would surprise BG1 and my wife should take advantage of this to try and fight back get try to get out of the way. Move onto BG1 straight on, close the gap pointing the gun right at the eyeball, keep coming in. if he dont drop it. shoot...

    BG1 might cut my wife but he wont have any protection and he is knife vs gun.

    High risk but I don't think they are expecting any resistance..

    There would be a lot of distractions going on as our overly protective 100lb black lab would be all over BG2 with the knife.
    That's mama's boy.
    Agree 100%. In my case simply replace 100lb. Lab. with 200+lbs. English Mastiff.

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