The guy got out with 2 other friends and chased me back into the store. Only reason they didn't follow me in was because he still had the DVD's in his hand ... I think.
I'd just do the 'don't hang around' part, 911 and pronto.
What was done worked out well tho.
Well, my particular psyche wouldn't fare well in that scene... So, I choose to live in the world at large and participate in it. If the world offers me late night drive thru windows, 24 hour convenience stores, ATMs on lonely stretches of road... I'll partake if the desire arises.
But, if something seems hinky... Well, I just choose not to participate... Unless I am drawn in against my will.
If I am drawn in against my will, then I will participate on my behalf. On the behalf of others if expedient and not further risking myself.
But my primary concern is myself, and my loved ones if they are with me. All else is secondary.
We have to assume that we are the only good guys armed in any given scenario... Unless we know different, the best hope for every innocent involved is our survival... Make the wrong move, you won't even die a hero... You and all the other innocents are just dead, perhaps some of them shot with YOUR weapon.
This does not stop me from calling 911 from a secure position, this does not stop me from being a good citizen. But, until I am INVOLVED in the midst of the scenario, I am not participating in it from within.
Make no mistake, I do not want to see innocents die. If I can prevent it I will. The best chance of this may be handled from a distance.
The "so what" will eventually become apparent to you if you keep reading accounts of violent crime in your city. Seems to me that a very consistent thread that runs through many incidents is that the victim went out for fast food or something from a convenience store early in the morning, between midnight and 2 am. It's prime time for random hold-ups.Quote:
so what if we want to go to Taco Hell at 2am?
If you CCW, that's the time to really have your SA amped up.
In this case, I also give a thumbs-down to the ATM move, but give a thumbs-up to getting the guy off your six. I'd just go back into another aisle and pretend to shop, keeping a careful eye on things.
A very difficult decision here is whether to exit the store before or after the guy. If he's decided that you're on the menu tonight, it would be better to leave first and get out of there. If he leaves first, he gets to set up and wait for you. On the other hand, if he's going to take the store down, and he's behind you at the register, he can draw and get the drop on you and the clerk. Hard call to make.
If he was indeed up to no good, going to the ATM was a mistake. Good thing you didn't pull out any money or he may have followed you out the door. You know, to make sure you got home safely. :wink:
"I agree, and while you may be different because of your LE training, I just won't participate if I feel like something's wrong from the start... "
A little clarification/explaination. I acquired a taste for good green chili burritos in the middle of the night from working earlies in an area where they were readily available. They are available only in certain areas. This urge usually arises late, while visiting a good friend in the big city. While hungry, I/we are not stupid. When two "high and tight gabachos" with outside shirts are ordering burritos at that hour, with one ordering and the other watching from outside the line, it is pretty obvious who they are. We have never had any problems
OP points out some good things to watch for.
I'm 5'10" and tend to walk very decisively and have a 'dont mess with me' attitude. I will meet people's eyes if they get in my space. I think I often miss signs of being targeted....and then later reexamine situations and recognize the signs....it would have been too late if they hadnt changed their minds that I was a risky target.
1. Originally Posted by Guantes
I refuse to be a captive of the clock if I want to run out and get a burrito or such.
I’m not the type to make burrito runs in the middle of the night. I might stop for Wendy’s on the way home from a swing shift but I doubt I’d go to the hassle of making a special trip for it.
Using Houston for an example if I was going to go out for a burger in the wee hours I wouldn’t go to Telephone Road to get it. I don’t think the risk is worth the return.
If I ate Taco Bell at 10:30 pm I would be Code brown the next day.
I suspect that you will do what you think is right for you, as will I.