What a night, must be the heat.

What a night, must be the heat.

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    What a night, must be the heat.

    It's been hot and really humid here for over a week. My wife works second shift at the hospital and was saying that on Friday they had two stabbings and a shooting that sent people to the ER.

    Saturday night my daughter, her best friend and the friends fiancee, and his parents went to the county fair for the bump and grind/demo derby. It was still warm and humid even after the sun set.

    During the races we witnessed two seperate fights break out in the crowd. The first one was the next section of bleachers over. All of a sudden we heard yelling and saw to guys standing in the aisle yelling at each other. At first I didn't even see the girl because she was very small. She was standing between the two guys, and started to push the one that I assume was not her boyfriend/husband. She seemed to be more agressive than the two guys. Security (more about them later) escorted them outside.

    Later as the races were progressing, there was another commotion about 8 rows in front of us. When I noticed it, it appeared that a woman was attacking a man. She basically had a plastic water bottle pressed into the side of his face/neck and somehow managed to drive him about 20 feet out of the row of seats into the aisle. Several other people got up and involved. Security seperated them and talked to the guy that got pushed around for a bit, but seemed to not have much to do with the others.

    As far as security goes they were not to useful. The grandstand area has a roof over it but the bleachers next to it does not. Since the weather forcast called for possible showers we made sure to get there an hour before the races started so we would get seats under the roof. During the races they continued to let people into the grandstand instead of directing them to the bleachers. These people had no place to sit so they were continually standing in the aisle and at the stairwell. This made it impossible for those seated to see. I asked one of the security to ask them to move and he said he "didn't have the authority" to make them move. I replied if that was the case what was he getting paid for? This was before the fights started.
    Another time a guy behind me asked the security to move people out of the way and got the same response. That guys reply was to tell the security he might as well go home then. I guess we were all a little tense.

    I know I shouldn't have been as short as I was with the security but he really wasn't doing anything to keep the aisle and exits clear. When the fights started the two guys that we had talked to didn't do much except call for backup. The only ones that seemed to do anything were a gal that was quite petite but seemed very confident in her abilties and another guy dressed differently that may have been a supervisor. He was dressed all in black while the other wore a grey polo with "security" on the back of the shirt. When I saw the guy on black my first thought was "mall ninja".


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    You didn't really expect much from the "security," did you? Blocked view--no problem. Fistacuffs? Possible liabilty for track, promoters, etc. Time to step in.
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    What you described is why I cannot stand to be among crowds in public. It seems that society is continuing it's social decline. People do not know how to act, and it seems society in general is more tolerant of this type of behavior . Where did we go wrong? Got my opinions, but I am afraid it will get worse. There's no stopping this downward spiral of social decay if we stay on the same path we have been on for the last 50 years or so.

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    It's sad. For reasons that Glockman stated, I avoid events like tractor-pulls, etc.. where I know there's a propensity to draw the inbreeds. In fact, I don't do concerts anymore for that same reason. However I refuse to be a shut-in, so we still do the county fairs, and other local festivals. Like they always say here at DC; Anyone, anywhere, anytime.
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    You might drop a line to the county fair board... seriously... If they're worried about liability... as a result of fisticuffs, what happens if one of the derby cars explodes, jumps the berm, or just someone in the crowd has a heart attack... As a result of the aisle blocking and standing patrons, ingress by emergency staff or egress by injured folks is hampered and more injuries may result.
    Rats!
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    What you described is why I cannot stand to be among crowds in public. It seems that society is continuing it's social decline. People do not know how to act, and it seems society in general is more tolerant of this type of behavior . Where did we go wrong? Got my opinions, but I am afraid it will get worse. There's no stopping this downward spiral of social decay if we stay on the same path we have been on for the last 50 years or so.
    I basically agree wholeheartedly. Yet, so far, here out "West" and the rural mid-west, folks are still civil and respectful. As an example, while on duty this weekend at the hosptial where I work part-time, I entered the room of a ranching family whose Matriarch is on her deathbed--as soon as I walked in, a teen-age young man jumped up and offered me his chair. You see the same kind of old-fashioned civility at rodeos, etc. This is one of the reasons that I love this area so much and have NO desire to travel and sightsee..........
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    When I retire I'm movin out west. Maybe in a lone star state of mind, or anywhere that is western. Hell, anywhere that I can wear my boots and hat and carry my peacemaker and not feel like an outcast. I'm a stranger in my own land.

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    After a Country Thunder and a Jimmy Buffett concert - both outdoors - I refuse to go to any show without reserved seating, and I even hesitate to go see any "pop" music performance... Too many people on drugs or boozed up to make it enjoyable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHEC724 View Post
    It's sad. For reasons that Glockman stated, I avoid events like tractor-pulls, etc.. where I know there's a propensity to draw the inbreeds. In fact, I don't do concerts anymore for that same reason. However I refuse to be a shut-in, so we still do the county fairs, and other local festivals. Like they always say here at DC; Anyone, anywhere, anytime.
    Yep, seen really unbelieveable behavior at a Ted Nugent concert two years ago. We had pretty good seats, again because we got there way before the warm up bands started. W were sitting in lawn chairs two "rows" back from the Vip seating fence. The rows were more or less defined by where people placed their chairs. No problems during the two warm up bands performances. When Nugent came on stage two late teen early twenties kids came up and stood directly in front of a coulple of people in front of us and afew people over. These people had been there for two hours, and now the punks were literally standing between the seated peoples feet! They refused to move.
    I would never had even considered being so rude to someone.

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    Up here a couple loggers, a farmer and a cowboy would have ended that problem in a hurry.

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    Forget security, call the Fire Marshall. Grandstands have a maximum capacity. If security was overfilling it and the stands collapsed from the weight, that would have been just as bad. Or a fire in an overcapacity seating area, how could people escape without causing trampling deaths?

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    When I retire I'm movin out west. Maybe in a lone star state of mind, or anywhere that is western. Hell, anywhere that I can wear my boots and hat and carry my peacemaker and not feel like an outcast. I'm a stranger in my own land.
    I think you'd be at home pretty much anywhere in Wyoming or Montana (except the bigger cities)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaplain Scott View Post
    I think you'd be at home pretty much anywhere in Wyoming or Montana (except the bigger cities)
    Your forgot Idaho.
    Get a CWL and you can even carry your sap up here if you so choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    When I retire I'm movin out west. Maybe in a lone star state of mind, or anywhere that is western. Hell, anywhere that I can wear my boots and hat and carry my peacemaker and not feel like an outcast. I'm a stranger in my own land.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivers View Post
    Forget security, call the Fire Marshall. Grandstands have a maximum capacity. If security was overfilling it and the stands collapsed from the weight, that would have been just as bad. Or a fire in an overcapacity seating area, how could people escape without causing trampling deaths?
    Thats exactly what I was thinking,the promoters get a hefty fine,and I'm sure Security wouldn't have a problem refusing to let people in over capacity
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