How'd I do? Orange at the shoe store
This is a discussion on How'd I do? Orange at the shoe store within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I think you did just fine. You don't know what they were up to; they don't know what you were up to. To ask questions, ...
August 22nd, 2010 11:20 AM
I think you did just fine. You don't know what they were up to; they don't know what you were up to. To ask questions, even something as innocent as, "Can I help you?" can be taken as a challenge in today's world of warped minds.
If I saw someone with a gun walking out and I was suspicious, I certainly wouldn't openly follow the guy to be a good citizen. That's puts me in a situation i don't need to be in.
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August 22nd, 2010 11:20 AM
August 22nd, 2010 11:22 AM
When you observed the truck occupants looking at the autoparts store you interpreted the event as the "passenger and driver both started looking us up and down". . . better pay attention, maybe go to "Orange".
Sounds OK to me; you can't read their minds; you don't really know what they're doing or looking at.
You also don't know if they even saw that you were open carrying. . . but they may have observed your weapon and said: "WTH - look that guy's got a gun and interpreted that as dangerous . . . better pay attention, maybe go to "Orange".
Sounds OK to me; they can't read your mind; they don't really know what you are doing or looking at.
So all persons may have been "Orange" . .fine. "Orange" to me is a more heightened state of awareness____not a time to 'posture'___. (JMO)
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August 22nd, 2010 02:06 PM
Point of diction. There is never a time to "posture". More accurately, with security training, the OP, INccwchris, went to an "interview" stance and was deciding if he should verbalize. "Posturing" is appearing more threatening and, while it may work for some species in nature, IMO, is not an appropriate tactic for self defense.
Originally Posted by 3D
Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
August 22nd, 2010 10:21 PM
I would say you did ok, better to be safe than sorry.
August 22nd, 2010 11:03 PM
OC spray in a pouch and a handcuff pouch and firearm with a white t shirt and black pants because he didn't have complete security uniform on.
I'd have looked at you funny, too, and would have decided some mall ninja wannabe gunslinger was glaring at me while shopping for shoes.
August 23rd, 2010 12:38 AM
I'm starting to get the feeling that we activated both of our SA at the same time and started reacting towards each other and then when the first escalated their condition to orange, the second did as well. I think I might have been reacting to their code orange and been unaware of how I might have been perceived, I think if something like this happens again, once I enter my interview stage, if maybe a friendly wave and smile would be a good idea instead of just bristling.
You know Pistology, until you said that about training, I never actually consciously thought that I was reacting like I was trained. Now looking back on it I realize that what I did was literally almost move for move out of our handbook. I wonder if that would be good or bad when I'm not at work, those of you with training, do you feel you react the same at work as you do off work?
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August 23rd, 2010 06:02 AM
Better safe than sorry...
Some have made some 'funny' comments, but in actuality, someone watching you and then coming towards you in a menacing manner...stopping to 'pretend' to read a sign on the store (when you look at them) would seem a bit odd to me.
Stay armed...stay alert...stay safe!
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August 23rd, 2010 08:18 AM
INccwchris, I think you're right. Especially when open carrying, be prepared to set off other people's alarms. A smile and a wave can go a long way to lower their alert level AND give you some information based on their reaction.
As far as training, there's not much you can do to prevent it from happening off work. The purpose of training is to develop the "correct" automatic responses to certain situations so when you're in a real confrontation you can focus on the threat while your body is doing what it needs to do.
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August 24th, 2010 08:24 PM
yes^^^^ action always beats reaction
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