How'd I do? Orange at the shoe store

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    How'd I do? Orange at the shoe store

    Today Mom and I went shopping for new shoes, she wanted some of those new shape ups and i needed new sneakers and some boots for work. As we paid and exited, I noticed a black, beaten up lowered Ford F-150 park at an angle in the fire lane and the passenger and driver both started looking us up and down. I was partially dressed for work, so I was open carrying. The passenger then got out of the truck and started towards us. I gave my Mom my bag and the key to the truck and told her to get to the truck now and get it open, Mom being Mom, she asked why, and then she saw the two guys and started moving. I slowed down to drop back behind her and turned my body so that I had my weapon away from the threat and began to run through options in my head. The passenger is still walking towards me and he is focused on me. I slowed my pace even further and looked him dead in the eyes. He then stopped abruptly turned to his right and started reading off the hours of the auto parts store that was next door to the shoe store. The driver continued giving me the hard eye untill I was in my truck and then they left once I was in my truck but they watched me the entire time they were in the lot. On the way home, Mom looks at me and goes, sometimes I worry about you carrying but I'm glad you were today. We both agree that something wasn't right about the two and I think I did well but I feel I may have overreacted, what do you think?
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    Sounds like you did fine. Within reason, I consider over reaction better than under reaction.

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    You should have used verbal commands, "can I help you?, dont get any closer" those are kind of ambiguous and won't rile someone up that doesn't mean you any harm.

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    Let me rephrase what you just told us and you tell us if it sounds like you may have overreacted.

    A couple of guys in a vehicle that needs some work parked outside an auto parts store. They see a guy with a gun strapped on his hip walk out of a shoe store which catches their attention. The guy is acting funny and staring at them for some reason, so they keep their eye on him. One of them gets out to check the hours on the auto parts store and the guy with the gun gets in a modified fighting stance. Worse, the guy with the gun is still staring right at him. So they keep their eyes on the guy until he leaves.

    I have a feeling that two guys are sitting on their porch telling their buddies about how they narrowly escaped a guy with a gun who kept giving them the "hard eye" at the auto parts store today.
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    Party A is staring at party B, party B is staring back at party A. Party B is standing sideways. Party A leaves then party B leaves.
    Hoop-tee-do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gruntingfrog View Post
    Let me rephrase what you just told us and you tell us if it sounds like you may have overreacted.

    A couple of guys in a vehicle that needs some work parked outside an auto parts store. They see a guy with a gun strapped on his hip walk out of a shoe store which catches their attention. The guy is acting funny and staring at them for some reason, so they keep their eye on him. One of them gets out to check the hours on the auto parts store and the guy with the gun gets in a modified fighting stance. Worse, the guy with the gun is still staring right at him. So they keep their eyes on the guy until he leaves.

    I have a feeling that two guys are sitting on their porch telling their buddies about how they narrowly escaped a guy with a gun who kept giving them the "hard eye" at the auto parts store today.
    Wow! Posting that kind of logic on here is refreshing. I completely agree with your possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INccwchris View Post
    I was partially dressed for work, so I was open carrying.
    Does this mean you left your jacket off and the gun is exposed because of that?
    I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gruntingfrog View Post

    A couple of guys in a vehicle that needs some work parked outside an auto parts store. They see a guy with a gun strapped on his hip walk out of a shoe store which catches their attention. The guy is acting funny and staring at them for some reason, so they keep their eye on him. One of them gets out to check the hours on the auto parts store and the guy with the gun gets in a modified fighting stance. Worse, the guy with the gun is still staring right at him. So they keep their eyes on the guy until he leaves.
    I hear menacing music, the tumbleweed is blowing, and Clint Eastwood just sauntered in.

    Just out of curiosity why didn't you turn your gun side to them so they could see you were armed?
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    I think you did just fine.
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    To answer your question Paramedic, I kept my weapon side away from them because I did not have a confirmed threat yet, I felt it was better to turn to the side and keep my body bladed so if the passenger suddenly rushed me before I could get to my gun, and I could not get my OC spray out and deployed, the side with my weapon was still away from him and I could still draw. It was purely a keep me between them and the possibility of a gun grab. That and looking back on it in hindsight, if they had innocent motives and no ill intent, I did not want to have the, "hey that guy has a gun." reaction especially combined with my "Gibbs" stare I was giving.

    And Tally, it means I was just wearing my black pants and a white T-shirt, I didn't bother with a cover garment, and my vest and shirt for my security job was still at home, so i just didn't have a shirt to cover with
    "The value you put on the lost will be determined by the sacrifice you are willing to make to seek them until they are found."

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    So, you were walking around in a duty belt anda tee shirt? I'd have been looking at you funny too.

    BTW when I did security I wore Herman Commanders from Walmart (45.00$ and change) they supported my feet well ( I was on one post that required 9 miles of walking a night) and they were light enough to run in.
    Mom being Mom, she asked why,
    DW drives me nuts w/ this. I can not get it through her head that if I ever tell her to move she is not to ask why she is to do it.

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    lol, Treo, no I actually do not wear a duty belt, the company I work for does not supply our equipment, and I shrunk out of my old one, so for now I just use a thick dickies leather belt for carry at work. I don't carry alot of equipment, just my EDC with the addition of a pouch for OC spray and a handcuff pouch. I have seen some of our guys do that though and its hilarious. I ended up with some Cheyanne leather boots, made like tennis shoes, but with the added stability of a boot that goes over my ankle. I also got some cool new sneaks for half off. I got a funny look from my mom and the lady behind the counter when I made the comment, well, these shoes have a little brown in them, so it won't go with my black holsters.
    "The value you put on the lost will be determined by the sacrifice you are willing to make to seek them until they are found."

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    I'm with gruntingfrog on this one. What happened here is that you triggered someone else's situational awareness.

    We get so caught up with promoting and developing our own SA, sometimes it's easy to forget that other people have it, too.
    "It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first."

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    see it could be that, if they hadn't keyed into me first, what alerted me to them was them focusing on me.
    "The value you put on the lost will be determined by the sacrifice you are willing to make to seek them until they are found."

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    Quote Originally Posted by INccwchris View Post
    lol, Treo, no I actually do not wear a duty belt, the company I work for does not supply our equipment, and I shrunk out of my old one, so for now I just use a thick dickies leather belt for carry at work. I don't carry alot of equipment, just my EDC with the addition of a pouch for OC spray and a handcuff pouch.
    OK, so what would you think if you saw some guy in pants and a T-shirt walking around w/ a belt that had a gun , some cuffs and OC spray? It would definetely be a WTH moment for me.

    As far as triggering other people's SA I was working at a site one night that had a lot of problems w/ people climbing the fence at night ( which made no sense because it was people leaving and they could have walked right out the gate) so if we saw anyone near the fence we were supposed to ID them. So one night I saw two people by the fence and I shined my light on them. I could tell at a glance these folks were not resident atheletes so I turnedmy light off. as soon as I did the guy bright beamed me right in the eyes w/ his light. I have often wondered if he was reaching for a gun too.

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