This is a discussion on This one is weird--- related to hospital carry within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I have worked in EMS and in hospital EDs. It is my firm assertion that 'medicine' has more ability/authority to involuntarily hold someone than 'justice.' ...
I have worked in EMS and in hospital EDs.
It is my firm assertion that 'medicine' has more ability/authority to involuntarily hold someone than 'justice.'
If you are wrongly arrested, you have access to a veritable cornucopia of resources to get you out. If a medical professional decides that you must be admitted and are 'mentally incapacitated' then you are up the much fabled brown creek without a paddle. How do you protest when you are sedated and tied down? And yes there are plenty of people that still do whatever the good Doctor (and nurse, etc.) says.
I have seen hospital medical staff, hospital security, LEOs in EDs, and EMS forcefully hold a patient, often administering 'chemical restraints' (Haldol for instance) in the process, in order to subdue someone who was trying to refuse care. Mind you, most of these were completely justified (suicidal, obvious altered mental status), but no system is 100% perfect. Anybody remember the guy who left the country to get married a couple years ago who was carrying some disease? As soon as he set foot back in the country, he was locked up ("medically isolated") by the CDC.
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Sounds like the guards REALLY wanted that bracelet. No proof, no suit.
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.
- Mike Tyson
Unless the x rays and other records are lost.
Though, whatever else might be said, I can't see how it justifies a firearm response.
The $12M lawsuit is about right, for an apparent class-A screwup.
I wonder: Did he hold up his arm with the bracelet and say something so impossible to ignore as "The name/person on this bracelet IS NOT ME; my name isn't 'Alice.' " Seems to me that this sort of situation, so long as one is awake and lucid, wouldn't be that difficult to correct. Yes, many of us have seen the eager beaver types at hospitals who seem to enjoy sticking it to unruly or spirited patience they deem have an attitude, but even so it shouldn't be that difficult to help someone understand and appreciate that his name wasn't "Alice" (or whatever the name of the patient who really was the one named on that ID bracelet).
No doubt true. It, or something similar happens every day in every hospital. It went uncorrected perhaps because either the admin wanted that bracelet badly to keep the evidence, or the guards just didn't know what they were doing and why. Or maybe, they were just thugs looking for an excuse to beat someone that day.Seems to me that this sort of situation, so long as one is awake and lucid, wouldn't be that difficult to correct.By the time the altercation occurred it was beyond that point.Yes, many of us have seen the eager beaver types at hospitals who seem to enjoy sticking it to unruly or spirited patience they deem have an attitude, but even so it shouldn't be that difficult to help someone understand and appreciate that his name wasn't "Alice" (or whatever the name of the patient who really was the one named on that ID bracelet).
OT, my wife was almost killed when a completely bogus lab report was placed in her record. No blood sample had been drawn, but miraculously a result appeared in her chart. And the result was "normal" when there was no way it could have been. This prompted a change in IV drugs---and when she questioned what was going on she got bs and crap from everyone.
She argued with the nurses for two hours from 1 AM to 3 AM before they straightened things out. In hindsight, she should have put her clothes on and left. And had she chosen to do that, I would not expect her to be have been forcibly restrained, let alone beaten.
As I said, I fully missed the sentence that described the injuries. Round and round.
It is just so common for people to sort of give up their independence and forget their rights, and go with the flow, even when something just doesn't seem correct----as it often doesn't.
Hospitals are great places, but they are also dangerous places.
I wonder if a couple of unemployed, overzealous mall ninjas got a job as hospital security.
"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
-James Earl Jones
Lol If that where me I hope those secruity guards know how to wrestle=)
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