No Wonder the Guy Spent Some Time in Jail...

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    I would bet BG want be missed in that town. I would not have chased after him.

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    I'm glad the GG got out and hopefully that's the end of it... I'm glad the BG got shot, and that IS the end of it!
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    I wouldn't have chased after the man, however being hit in the head with a wrench is no laughing matter....crack a skull with that. I would have been justified in using deadly force as he was trying to hit me the first time...but...chasing after him is being a willing participant...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinklady View Post
    I don't see why that anyone in there right mind would risk there life to chase after a bg to get there beer back. It is just plain stupid IMO.
    It could have been a REALLY good beer
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    Ain't no beer worth dieing over. When the guy hit him over the head the "first time" if he didn't shoot him at that point, then he should have let it go, called the cops and reported it and let them deal with it. Taking the law into your own hands by chasing the BG down is dangerous and he is luck he didn't do serious time for manslaughter.
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    The only issue I have is the fact he went to his car to retrieve a firearm. At that point he became an aggressor, just like the guy who assaulted him. Both created and esculated this incident. I can easily see where both could have been charged. But state law is state law, and each deals with these cases as their laws provide. This is one lucky individual to be walking free.
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    I think what it all comes down to that the story didn't say was the brand of beer. There are a couple brands that I'd chase the BG for , but seeing as how it was at a circle K i doubt it would have been anything worth killing or potentially dying for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinklady View Post
    I don't see why that anyone in there right mind would risk there life to chase after a bg to get there beer back. It is just plain stupid IMO.
    I don't think it is about being stupid or smart, its about right and wrong. We can say that nothing is worth dying for (except for family, country, etc), but where does that leave us. It means that whenever anyone threatens someone and steals what they have, we just let them go - cause "Its not worth dying for".
    Like I've said before, I wouldn't do - It potentially puts my family at risk (losing a father/husband), but I won't criticize those that do.
    Robery and assault should be risky activities, and I'm glad there are those that make them such for the BG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctsketch View Post
    It could have been a REALLY good beer
    Maybe it was really hot, after all its Arizona, and maybe that was the last six pack of beer in the store, and maybe the only other party store for a mile was closed because the bad guy had already robbed last week. See now it make perfect sense!

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    A persons past convictions do not hold up as evidence in court. The fact that he has done it before or even is on the run from killing someone will not help your case! A self defense case will involve the actual shooting itself, not the BGs past. You did not know his past when you shot him, so your actions will be judged on the event itself. (Massad ayoob did a great article on this...i'll see if i can track it down). Any attempt at bringing past events up will be objected and sustained. (The BGs not on trial now, YOU are!)

    Glad the bg lost as next time he could have killed, but dumb move on the shooters part and he is really lucky to have gotten away from criminal charges. Good luck with the civil ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinistrMalic View Post
    In a defensive scenario, how is it justified to go back to your car, get a gun, then chase the robber to the back of the store and wait for him to swing a wrench at you so you can shoot him?
    At the end of the day, the robber was a robber, and he chose to attempt to "brain" the man with a wrench. Had the man simply grabbed means to defend himself then cornered the robber for police, there would be no hue and cry about the man's actions. And yet, when the robber attempts to take his life with a wrench to the head, the man's refusal to be "brained" is jumped on?

    I'd need to better understand the specifics before judging. I can tell you that I have no problem with going to get a defensive weapon that was left behind (ie, in the car). I don't think much about the wisdom of heading back toward a robber, but then the robber IS the bad guy after all, and he's currently engaging in a felony act of violence against innocents. The laws in my state are pretty darned clear about one's authority in such a situation. And in the end if the robber then chooses to attempt to harm me or mine, I have no problem stopping such attempts with the degree of force needed. Particularly with children, though, I highly doubt I would have turned back into the store in question. Such a scenario is potentially tricky, and depends heavily on the circumstances and timing, and on the biases/prejudices of the folks in the jurisdiction where this occurs. I can see it going either way, depending.
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    The only good part to this story is the 'repeat offender' who became a 'dead offender'.(courtesy of Uncle Ted)
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    Don't get me wrong I wouldn't have gone back in... get away from the threat and stay away...

    As for the story the guy going back..... The LAW is the LAW if it says he has no duty to retreat and is protected by the Castle Doctrine in what he did.. so be it... +1 for the good guys....
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    Whether a good idea or not, it appears to me that many do not discern the difference between reengagement in a mutual combat situation and the attempted detainment of a violent felon who has just committed two violent felonies.

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