No Wonder the Guy Spent Some Time in Jail...

[MinistrMalic]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...fied-abrk.html

Okay, at the end of the day the Gilbert police recommended no charges be filed and determined that the shooting was justified. In AZ Castle Doctrine is firmly established, and a SD shooting is considered justified unless proven otherwise. (the Harold Fish Law)

At first I was frustrated that this man had to spend a couple of days in jail while they figured out that this shooting was justified. Then I read the whole story and my opinion changed. In a defensive scenario, how is it justified to go back to your car, get a gun, then chase the robber to the back of the store and wait for him to swing a wrench at you so you can shoot him?

I'd love your input on this one; IMO the prudent thing to do would have been to retreat to the car and call 911, then keep an eye on the robber until the cops show up. If the robber came my way again, okay fine then maybe we have a SD scenario.

Thoughts?

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[SpencerB]

I agree, I would never chase after the man if the threat against me and loved ones is over. He is extremely lucky to not be facing charges. I drive by that circle K frequently, and the robber wouldn't have had many places to hide had the shooter called police instead of taking matters into his own hands.

[pinklady]

IMO he should be guilty the threat was no longer there. He got his gun and chased the bg down struggled with him before he shot him. I don't condone what the bg did, but to chase him down and kill him over beer? Maybe I am missing something here?

[ZX9RCAM]

IMO he should be guilty the threat was no longer there. He got his gun and chased the bg down struggled with him before he shot him. I don't condone what the bg did, but to chase him down and kill him over beer? Maybe I am missing something here?

+1

[hayzor]

If someone steals anything from you, you should be able to go get it back. That’s what this guy did. Robbing and hitting people with a wrench should be a hazardous occupation, and in this case it was.
Is beer worth dying for? No, but once you get the ball rolling by assaulting someone, then all bets are off. I don’t have a problem with the man going back to the scene. He didn’t start it.
Please note: I would have called authorities and left the scene. There is too much to lose in a situation like this. I do support this guy’s actions and that he is free from charges. However I do not recommend these actions – too much potential for it to go south.

I like the message – Come to Arizona and commit robbery and assault (or battery) and you may not see the sun rise tomorrow.

[GM]

SD shooting?

[obxned]

He armed himself (legal and sensible, for his own protection) and followed a dangerous felon in order to be a good witness. He was then attacked, and fearing for his life, defended himself. Mr. Bad Guy had ample opportunities to quit his evil ways, but made just one too many bad choices.

[oakchas]

He armed himself (legal and sensible, for his own protection) and followed a dangerous felon in order to be a good witness. He was then attacked, and fearing for his life, defended himself. Mr. Bad Guy had ample opportunities to quit his evil ways, but made just one too many bad choices.

Carefully phrased like that.... might work... Me.. Call 911 ain't no beer worth my life, or the time in the clink, and an ambiguous outome..

[SpencerB]

Carefully phrased like that.... might work... Me.. Call 911 ain't no beer worth my life, or the time in the clink, and an ambiguous outome..

Agree, phrased like that it sounds better, but still the threat has left I am not running after him.

[Hall]

the actions of the shooter, Stefen Selvy, appear to be legally justified.

The legality is all that matters on paper. But i agree with all of you on here saying that chasing a threat is a bad idea.

followed a dangerous felon in order to be a good witness

let me comment on this with another quote from the article

Selvy returned to his vehicle, retrieved a pistol and chased Baughman behind the store, police said. Selvy eventually caught up with Baughman, who again hit Selvy with the wrench

I would find it difficult to believe someone claiming 'i was trying to be a good witness' when he chased the suspect down and got within contact range to be hit again

[dukalmighty]

Guy committed an aggravated robbery,even if it was only beer,what if it was your wifes wedding ring,you try to stop the theft and retrieve your property and guy decides to swing the wrench bang bang.I will bet the dead guy has numerous arrests involving alcohol and or drugs

[pinklady]

If someone steals anything from you, you should be able to go get it back. That’s what this guy did. Robbing and hitting people with a wrench should be a hazardous occupation, and in this case it was.
Is beer worth dying for? No, but once you get the ball rolling by assaulting someone, then all bets are off. I don’t have a problem with the man going back to the scene. He didn’t start it.
Please note: I would have called authorities and left the scene. There is too much to lose in a situation like this. I do support this guy’s actions and that he is free from charges. However I do not recommend these actions – too much potential for it to go south.

I like the message – Come to Arizona and commit robbery and assault (or battery) and you may not see the sun rise tomorrow.

I don't see why that anyone in there right mind would risk there life to chase after a bg to get there beer back. It is just plain stupid IMO.

[oneshot]

Guy committed an aggravated robbery,even if it was only beer,what if it was your wifes wedding ring,you try to stop the theft and retrieve your property and guy decides to swing the wrench bang bang.I will bet the dead guy has numerous arrests involving alcohol and or drugs

YEP^^^^^Bingo


[QUOTE=Hall;1751013]The legality is all that matters on paper. But i agree with all of you on here saying that chasing a threat is a bad idea.


Yes^^^^^^^^^^^Indeed.
What WE would all do or not do is subjective at best, and highly irrelavant.
But what we SHOULD be able to do if we choose to, should be our call.

He armed himself (legal and sensible, for his own protection) and followed a dangerous felon in order to be a good witness. He was then attacked, and fearing for his life, defended himself. Mr. Bad Guy had ample opportunities to quit his evil ways, but made just one too many bad choices.

^^^^^^^^^Can I retain you for any future legal matters concerning SD?^^^^^^^^Should they arrise

If someone steals anything from you, you should be able to go get it back. That’s what this guy did. Robbing and hitting people with a wrench should be a hazardous occupation, and in this case it was.
Is beer worth dying for? No, but once you get the ball rolling by assaulting someone, then all bets are off. I don’t have a problem with the man going back to the scene. He didn’t start it.
Please note: I would have called authorities and left the scene. There is too much to lose in a situation like this. I do support this guy’s actions and that he is free from charges. However I do not recommend these actions – too much potential for it to go south.

I like the message – Come to Arizona and commit robbery and assault (or battery) and you may not see the sun rise tomorrow.

^^^^^^^^^^^+1




Here's to alcohol - the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems. -Homer Simpson

[Guantes]

Maybe he was not chasing for the beer, but chasing after someone who committed an ADW on him and might have killed him.

[pinklady]

Well IMO that is why you call the police, for them to find and nab the bg. He could have gotten himself killed. The threat was retreating, I myself would not run down the bg for another confrontation. I value my life more than that. I think it was a very bad decision on his part. He is lucky he is not going to have to spend a few years in prison for his actions. I don't uphold the bg. He shouldn't get away with what he had done but its a life. One that deserved prison time.