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    hostage scenario

    You are in your favorite place, your home, friends house, moms basement, gencon, cigar shop, etc. etc. Someone comes up behind you quietly enough to not tip you off, slips their arm around your neck and puts a knife to your throat, you are carrying your EDC in its normal place, what is your reaction to keep from having your throat cut, and walking out of this situation alive? the BG is demanding everyone else get on the floor or they will kill you as a hostage. What now?
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    Unless they can sever both the right and left interior and exterior carotid arteries and the jugular (total of 6 critical blood bearing structures in the neck if my last look at anatomy was correct) or take out my spine...

    I am going to use some considerable strength (augmented by being...annoyed...) to feed them the knife, followed by their own entrails which I will have removed by tearing through their rib cage with my bare hands.

    I do not like knives when other people are holding them.

    They vex me.

    I don't know what everyone else will be doing.

    Complying with the bad guy, running or removing clothing and letting olive oil flow for a really good time...and I don't care.

    I'll be busy getting busy with some business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INccwchris View Post
    You are in your favorite place, your home, friends house, moms basement, gencon, cigar shop, etc. etc. Someone comes up behind you quietly enough to not tip you off, slips their arm around your neck and puts a knife to your throat, you are carrying your EDC in its normal place, what is your reaction to keep from having your throat cut, and walking out of this situation alive? the BG is demanding everyone else get on the floor or they will kill you as a hostage. What now?
    Depends how they are holding me... I've practiced several rear neck holds. if my hand is above my waist when he is behind me I will get my hand in between the knife and my throat while doing my take down, I rather get my hand cut up than my neck...

    But even if he sneaks up behind me, I doubt he is going to be able to get the knife up to my throat before I react (I mentioned on another thread several of my students have tried sneaking up behind me and grabbing my neck but even if they succeed in sneaking up behind me my reaction is always too fast for them to actually get a hold)
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    I am going to have a heart attack. No time for half measures, going to wet my pants too! At my age, size, and weight it is easily believable. BG is not going to be able to support me so I will end up sliding to the floor. At this point anyone else with a weapon has a clear target. If no one else draws on him, after he steps over me I draw and if he has not acquired a new hostage order him to surrender. If he doesn't I will do what needs to be done to stop the threat.
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    I will trust that the Bat-medallion that I always wear around my neck, will reflect the light off of the murderous gleam in the assailant's eyes, and flash the Bat-signal on the window, so that the Bat-team will come save me. Or... I could do as the IL State Police suggest, and stick my finger down my throat and make myself puke on the attacker....

    http://www.isp.state.il.us/crime/assault.cfm#ASLTCONF

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    If their arm is around your neck, how do they put a knife to your throat?

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    Does soiling yourself count as a defensive act?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    If their arm is around your neck, how do they put a knife to your throat?
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    I'm gonna crap my pants,once the stench hits his nose he will be looking for another hostage
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    Call 911 and be a good witness.


    Somebody had to post it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21bubba View Post
    Call 911 and be a good witness.


    Somebody had to post it.
    Now that's funny!

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    Depends how he's got a hold of you. If my weak hand is free, during all the ruckus, I would put my pocket carried .38 in his belly and pull the trigger.

    Maybe if I screamed like a schoolgirl, it would startle him so I could go for my gun
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    guantes, most people i know have two arms, one arm around your neck, one holding the knife
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    Understood. The question is how do they get the knife to your throat with the other arm around your neck in the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
    Unless they can sever both the right and left interior and exterior carotid arteries and the jugular (total of 6 critical blood bearing structures in the neck if my last look at anatomy was correct) or take out my spine...

    I am going to use some considerable strength (augmented by being...annoyed...) to feed them the knife, followed by their own entrails which I will have removed by tearing through their rib cage with my bare hands.

    I do not like knives when other people are holding them.

    They vex me.

    I don't know what everyone else will be doing.

    Complying with the bad guy, running or removing clothing and letting olive oil flow for a really good time...and I don't care.

    I'll be busy getting busy with some business.
    Ha! I like the way you think!

    The moment his arm goes around my neck I'm attacking his arm with extreme violence and breaking the choke hold. There are numerous techniques for breaking any choke hold from the rear. If he has a knife at my throat, I might get stuck a little but with the immediate and overwhelming counter attack, he's likely not prepared for that response and my adrenaline dump is going to help me over come a lot.

    Again, this is going by strict adherence to the scenario where he was able to get his arm totally around my neck without me knowing it. Highly unlikely, but hey, if it happens that way, it happens that way. As soon as he touches me... especially if I had no idea of his presence behind me, I immediately counter attack and attack the point at which he grabbed me.
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