This is a discussion on ATM within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Guantes
An example: I love good green chili burritos. When I go to LA a friend and I nearly always go and ...
October 6th, 2010 07:29 PM
And that's fine--for you. I understand your background (and that of others here on the site). I wouldn't expect a couple of old Navy SEALs to be too hesitant to enter a lot of places either, but most of us don't fall into that catagory. We're just plain old 9-to-fivers trying to hang on to what we've got. (Sounds kinda like an old song line, doesn't it?) Do you think the burrito bunch would give me the same "consideration"? I doubt it, and for that reason I tend to avoid places where I know going can be troublesome.
Originally Posted by Guantes
I also understand "any time, any place" and feel that if I can avoid the "most likely" of them, I'm a little safer than if I don't.
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October 6th, 2010 07:35 PM
October 8th, 2010 11:50 AM
Yeah, as a non LEO I am taught to avoid high risk areas. I have used ATM's at night but never in an area where I thought the risk was so high that I would need to pre draw. Was/is there risk involved everywhere? Sure there is but some places are worse than others. I saw in another post that you go to very high risk areas for some good street food with the reasoning that "They know who we are and they know what that means" Do you pre draw then too? If not how come you do at the ATM? Cant those BG's tell who you are and what that means? OR is the ATM in an even worse location than the "green chili burritos"??
Originally Posted by Guantes
As for being able to reach my pistol after an emergency stop, yes I can. Could you if you had it pre drawn and on your leg or seat next to you? Wouldn't it slide to the floor in the emergency stop?
Thank you for what you do as a LEO, but I hate to see anyone be someplace so dangerous they need to pre draw unless they/you are on the job and actively engaged...
October 8th, 2010 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by Sledzep01
A pre draw at an unoccupied atm does not cause near the distrubance that it would cause at a burrito stand.
It is considerably less likely that a robber who pops around a corner to confront someone seated in a vehicle would determine in an instant or two that that person was likely LE, than a number of people observing him/them over a period of minutes at a burrito stand.
The acquisition of my pistol would be a non issue as though resting on my leg, it would remain in my hand.
Pre draw is a precautionary action based on a number of factors, often where the actual danger is indeterminate.
Your courtesy is appreciated, but no need to thank me as I am retired.
October 8th, 2010 03:38 PM
It's been at least 10 years since I've used an ATM and have no plans to change that. They bug me like a parking garage.
October 8th, 2010 06:33 PM
Originally Posted by NC Bullseye
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