[SIGguy229]

Sigguy, While normally it isnt possible to distinguish the difference in a mugging or someone defending theirselves while driving by, if stopped, it is pretty easy to tell the difference between a resisiting subject and a person just being beaten, especially considering that many people on here have some of the same training as LEO's because of their jobs or past careers. Even the average citizen can tell a difference between wrestling someone to the ground and just an absolute beat down. And as to the Rodney King comment, we had this thing in school called history and social events class, it was one of the topics mentioned. And I agree that the police were justified in their original actions but they went too far in the heat of the moment. So don't think I am ignorant of an issue just because of my age. Personally, if i saw this, i would be afraid to even dial 911 because they might just say well theres police there handling it and hang up the phone

Or it could be thugs pretending to be police....either way I'd call 911, report it and hang up.

 

[stevem174]

Why is it these things never happen to upstanding citizens? It is incidents like this that make LE look bad, when blown out of porportion and viewed by people who do not understand a force continueum. Stay down means just that. You try to get up or alter your position and your gonna get whacked. These are the type of people who would take your belongings, rape your wife and daughter in front of you and laugh during a pretrial hearing knowing they will accept a plea deal and be out in 5 years. When you are around these people everyday, and hear them Bragg about their crimes, and taking no responsibilties for their actions, that things aren't fair for the law abiding citizen. They survive and thrive only because of the protection the law affords THEM. When they commit acts of violence against citizens, rape and murder, I am sworn to protect them and see they make it to trial. So don't think these people are upstanding citizens getting mistreated by LE. If you have ever dealt with them you would understand they live by a completely different set of codes and thought process, and sometimes physical force is all they understand. They initiate the action thru noncompliance and then cry foul when they get what's coming to them.

glockman, as far as I am concerned you are right on the mark. Convicts or future convicts don't have the same value system that most people have. They view life, reward, punishment among many other things completely differently than we do. The problem I see is that most people on a jury have never dealt with that personality.

 

[CowboyColby]

I would turn off my Grand Theft Auto game

 

[renegade01]

I'd shoot the cops, center of mass, and run like the wind.... but that is just me, and I hate dirty cops with a passion.

 

[justherenow]

I'd be changing the channel on the TV.

That's what I would do. It sounds like a bad television show with very little basis in reality. If real I'd be talking with the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Say what you will, I don't believe that the Rodney King incident was what it was made out to be. The only reason the POS, Rodney King, got any attention at all, was because somebody videotaped it. Otherwise he would've got what was coming to him and that would've been the end of the story.

Biker

Or there are really crooked cops out there. I dont mean to be anti cop, but we have to face it, there are quite a few dirty ones. What I dont get is if a cop beats a citizen and the citizen tries to protect him/herself, it is a crime, yet it is not a crime for the cop to beat the person, well, it is but one that is rarely prosecuted.

To the OP, I may video it with my camera, send it off to my local news really fast before they can grab my phone, otherwise, I am making a call to the USDOJ and that is it. No way am I pulling a gun on cops, it is a sure way to ensure your non-existance on this earth.

 

[G-man*]

I'd shoot the cops, center of mass, and run like the wind.... but that is just me, and I hate dirty cops with a passion.

Hold it! I think we have a winner here. Present him with the Dumbest statement of the year award. So here's a different take on this thing. What if, it was a domestic violence call, cops respond and get ready to arrest the man, but girlfriend clocks, and starts fighting officers cause now she's changed her mind? So now what you think you see is actually officers attempting to make 2 arrests and you decide, with all your experience from watching the spin on the news that you are going to shoot them?
I have been in a situation backing up another officer who responded to a DV in progress, and when we were arresting the dirtbag, piece of crap, woman beating, cowardly piece of??$@, the family members freaked out because they didn't want him to go to jail, and we had to fight the whole famn damily.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you probably shouldn't carry a weapon if that's really what you would do.

 

[Guantes]

In addition to the fact that COM will hit vests and if they are dirty they will then probably kill you.

 

[SpencerB]

Even if they aren't dirty they will probably kill him because he just shot at police officers.

 

[G-man*]

Nature has a way of weeding out the stupid.

 

[INccwchris]

boy look at the number of broken sarcasm detectors lol, if you were being serious though, bad bad bad idea

 

[AlexHassin]

boy look at the number of broken sarcasm detectors lol, if you were being serious though, bad bad bad idea

He’s got it all wrong. that’s when you break out the RPG launcher or the personal chain gun. Have to ask, because there dirty cops does it still give you stars you have to deal whith.

 

[SIGP250]

boy look at the number of broken sarcasm detectors lol, if you were being serious though, bad bad bad idea

Chris,
What is a broken sarcasm detector? How do you view these?

 

[renegade01]

boy look at the number of broken sarcasm detectors lol, if you were being serious though, bad bad bad idea

I think you nailed it....but on a real note, If I saw two "dirty cops" beating the life out of a man for no particular reason, you are damned right I would put the threat down...and you can beat I would hit my target.

I don't cow to tyrants and I never will....

 

[renegade01]

Hold it! I think we have a winner here. Present him with the Dumbest statement of the year award. So here's a different take on this thing. What if, it was a domestic violence call, cops respond and get ready to arrest the man, but girlfriend clocks, and starts fighting officers cause now she's changed her mind? So now what you think you see is actually officers attempting to make 2 arrests and you decide, with all your experience from watching the spin on the news that you are going to shoot them?
I have been in a situation backing up another officer who responded to a DV in progress, and when we were arresting the dirtbag, piece of crap, woman beating, cowardly piece of??$@, the family members freaked out because they didn't want him to go to jail, and we had to fight the whole famn damily.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you probably shouldn't carry a weapon if that's really what you would do.

We aren't talking about YOUR scenario. We are tlaking about the OPS scenario.

Would you let two dirty cops rape a woman?

 

[G-man*]

We aren't talking about YOUR scenario. We are tlaking about the OPS scenario.

Would you let two dirty cops rape a woman?

First of all since we are not accepting any other side to the scenario, then we cannot throw rape in there, as it was not part of the OPs scenario.

At this point, I don't know what to say to your logic. It is really twisted. There is a lot I could say regarding the perimeters of your responsibility as a ccw carrier, the act of murder on your part to somehow justify the beatings of what you "think is an actual lawless act by police and ect, but I really don't think it's worth the effort at this point. You can't fix stupid.

 

[renegade01]

First of all since we are not accepting any other side to the scenario, then we cannot throw rape in there, as it was not part of the OPs scenario.

At this point, I don't know what to say to your logic. It is really twisted. There is a lot I could say regarding the perimeters of your responsibility as a ccw carrier, the act of murder on your part to somehow justify the beatings of what you "think is an actual lawless act by police and ect, but I really don't think it's worth the effort at this point. You can't fix stupid.

In my state the law says I can shoot a police officer if the officer is clearly stepping out of bounds of law enforcement.

Stupid is as stupid does...and it is stupid to stand idle while another human being is being beaten to death or raped.....but, a coward dies a thousand deaths, so take it to your grave if thats what floats your boat.

 

[ccw9mm]

This is obviously not a pair of resisting criminals and is just two people getting a beat down and getting beaten to a pulp by a gang of dirty cops, what do you do?

Did I mention the two lives were in actual danger of being beaten to death

Things are rarely perfectly obvious from a glimpse of a few indicators. It's hard to know details, including that they're in actual mortal danger (beyond the simple reality that any harsh beating can be deadly).

This is the sort of situation in which direct physical involvement is a fool's pleasure. We don't have to look very far to find examples of public abuse of the public trust in which people are very effectively coerced or forced into submission. While it's no longer likely to result in a disappearance (as occurs with fair regularity in some countries), "interfering" in "police" business might well get a person beaten or injured badly.

For myself, I'm not so naive as to believe any such recording would survive the day if it actually turned out the situation was a view of corrupt cops doing the "nasty" on citizens. I'd withdraw. Whether I'd first call 911 or the local television news group would depend on how "obvious" I thought the violence of the situation was.

In my state the law says I can shoot a police officer if the officer is clearly stepping out of bounds of law enforcement.

That's as it should be. And in a situation where a lone cop has clearly crossed the line to murderous action and clearly needs immediate stopping, that's one thing. It's something else entirely when a large group of officers is briefly seen in the midst of beating upon two people ... where little else is known. Big, big difference. The situation's going to have to be far clearer to me than what is suggested in the OP, a glimpse of indicators while passing by.

 

[snip]

to the op the only option here is to run. Maby get a snap shot or quick video if you are feeling your Wheaties that day. But just take a quick look at the tatical situation. 5+ guys all armed, in a frenzy, most likely with body armor against one person with his peashooter. you are gona die if what the op said was true. if it was a legit police action then they dont need help as they outnumber the people on the ground.

 

[dukalmighty]

In my state the law says I can shoot a police officer if the officer is clearly stepping out of bounds of law enforcement.

Stupid is as stupid does...and it is stupid to stand idle while another human being is being beaten to death or raped.....but, a coward dies a thousand deaths, so take it to your grave if thats what floats your boat.

State law says y6ou may use deadly force upon a Police Officer under certain situations,but you better be sure that what you may perceive to be a lawless act isn't something else,or you sir will be going to Prison if you survive.The only way I would consider using deadly force against an LEO is If my life or a family member is being threatened with grievous body Injury or death and the Officer is so far out of lawfully performing his duty that he has crossed the threshold of Law Enforcement Officer and just became criminal with a badge

 

[BugDude]

I would quietly move along and hope they didn't notice me...I saw nothing and was never even in that part of town. I might even claim to be blind. Perhaps amnesia. Who are they and what were they talking about again?