When to Shoot and How a Carry Gun Effects Things
Someone sent me a link to this story ( http://www.newstribune.com/articles/...atenight09.txt )along with another link to the "victim's" (i.e. the individual who shot in self defense) personal account of how things happened.
To sum things up:
The man was carrying a 1911 in a Milt Sparks holster and standing outside of an office and apartment building with a group of friends just talking.
Another man approached wearing a hoodie and a bandana covering his face and holding a revolver in his hand.
At first our good guy thought it was a joke, but then the bad guy told them all to go inside and something about it being a robbery.
He told everyone to get on the floor face down and for whatever reason, while the BG was briefly occupied, the GG unholstered and put his 1911 under his chest.
The BG came over and started to frisk him and upon pulling up the shirt and seeing the holster he demanded to know where the gun was.
The GG said he left it in the car because they were going to go for drinks and the BG didn't believe him.
He forced him to stand up. The GG still has the gun in his hand, held to his chest facing away from the BG.
The BG was standing at around 5:00 of the GG who was right handed.
The GG started to turn until he had the BG at about 3:00 (turning right) and as he did he thumbed off the safety and the BG either saw or heard the safety being flicked off and shot the good guy in the stomach.
Luckily the angle was off and his stomach was only grazed but because he had his left hand tucked in to his stomach the bullet did find his left hand and mangle it pretty bad.
The GG continued to turn to return fire while the BG took another shot. Again, both fortunately and unfortunately the round hit the GG in the strong hand which stopped it from entering his abdomen, but now both his gun hand and his off hand have been shot.
The BG started to back off of the GG who finally got two shots off despite having mangled hands, both of them missing the BG.
The GG tried to shoot again but the gun wouldn't fire. Thinking he had a malfunction he ducked under a table, told everyone to stay down, noted the mess that was his hands but racked the slide anyway and stood back up to shoot.
They exchanged a few more rounds and the GG finally scored a hit before the BG ran out of ammo and was out the door and gone.
In hindsight he believes that it was the sound of the safety being disengaged that alerted the BG to his gun and that his failure to fire was not an issue with the round but rather that he did not have a solid grip on the 1911 due to his wounds that kept the grip safety from being disengaged.
He admits he has no idea how he was able to hang on to the gun and rack the slide despite being shot in both hands but he's very glad he was able to do so. He was also very glad that the BG was carrying a revolver as his limited ammo very well could have been the thing that saved his life.
The reason this was sent to me was because the sender wanted my opinion on whether a story like this would affect my willingness to carry a 1911.
It is an extraordinary story, for sure.
I've been considering it all day. And I've decided to entice the good membership here with the questions that have been plaguing me and get your take....
My first wish is to not judge the man at all. Without having been in his situation I can not say that I would have done anything differently though I did wonder if I would allow myself to be forced indoors and on to my belly at gunpoint. Would you?
When given the opportunity to draw the gun and place it under his belly did he have an opportunity to thumb off the safety then? I can't say whether I would have shot or not at this point because until then things were progressing in a scripted robbery fashion and no one was being hurt.
Assuming he could have moved would movement have saved him from being shot instead of just turning around and being saved from possibly life-threatening shots by his hands?
Was the fact that he was carrying a 1911 that much of a detriment to the situation? Would it have really made a difference if he'd been carrying another firearm?