Pay attention to those gut feelings (spidey senses)......

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    Pay attention to those gut feelings (spidey senses)......

    I parked my truck in the hospital parking lot at 0530 this morning, set the alarm and headed off to work--the parking lot was pretty deserted at that time of the morning. For "some reason" I turned around and looked behind me. About 75 feet away is a guy sitting under a tree. As I leave the parking lot and cross the crosswalk I turn around and the guy is up, and just sort of ambling off towards where I parked my truck. I hesitated for just a second--thought about going to walk back and watch him--our hospital is a gun-free zone for employees--at this point I'm only about a 30 second walk to the Emergency Room entrance and the Security desk there, so I chose to hustle into the security desk and ask them to send the roving patrol there ASAP.

    I check back with them a little later and sure enough, they had found the guy (somebody they have been having trouble with) and encouraged him to move on out of the area. No guns involved, no real confrontation (thankfully), but the potential threat was real and just reinforced to me again-to pay attention to that little voice that says that something here isn't quite right......
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    Some people would call "that little voice inside" divine intervention. I always listen to mine!

    I'm glad it turned out okay and your truck wasn't vandalized or some other unassuming employee accosted.
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    Chuck Taylor agrees with you. That "gut feeling" is your subconcious picking up on *something* that your concious mind has filtered, rationalized, or otherwise not picked up on yet.

    It is to be paid attention to, ALWAYS, and ignored at your potential peril.

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    I must have missed something. They found the guy doing what?

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    Agree. Always pause to listen or tune in to that feeling or thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAcanis View Post
    I must have missed something. They found the guy doing what?
    more than likely just loitering and shagged him off the property...youll get accustomed to this type of thread...even if its a non event there are things that should be paid attention to regardless of whether a threat is real or not...the guy may have been wanderign over to his truck looking for loose change or worse...

    and whenever someone escapes death in a scenario like this it is customary to congratulate them and wish them well in their life....

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    PAcanis: Yep, On the one hand, this WAS a "non-event". On the other hand this gentleman was already know to our security folks as somebody that they "have been having trouble with". I've had my truck broken into before and my Glock stolen. BUT, my main point here is that something just felt "wrong" or "wierd" and I followed up and got security on it--and they knew the guy and had been having trouble with him--which confirmed (at least to me) that my "feelings" about something "not being right" were indeed correct.
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    Thanks for your answers.
    I have only recently started getting "back into" guns again, not that I have ever been without, and am trying to grasp the scenarios presented here and adapt them to my life. I have noticed lately that I have been walking around with a heightened sense of awareness, but at the same time I am trying to balance that with not thinking every person I see is out to get me or mine. It's a tough compromise sometimes, but I find that reading the various scenarios and real life events here has been useful.

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    Chaplain Scott,

    Good on you... I'm glad it turned out to be a non event. In many cases we ignore our uneasy feelings. And PAcanis has a point, too.

    Sometimes, we "know that we know, that we know." Sometimes we even ignore those feelings. It's better not to. On the other hand, sometimes, when we hear a thump in the night, we "clear" the house, gun in hand, all for naught.

    Going into "condition orange" for minor things can do one of two things to us... It can either make us always too edgy, ready to jump into action, or it can inure us to real threats with the thinking that "it's probably nothing, I'm being paranoid."

    Finding the balance is important. And your scenario shows that balance.

    I beleive that most of us, if we listen to ourselves well enough, really do know when things are going to get bad, possibly real bad, before they go south. But, it's easy to get "over responsive" and jump into states of readiness/action we don't need for the situation at hand.
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    I suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaplain Scott View Post
    I check back with them a little later and sure enough, they had found the guy (somebody they have been having trouble with) and encouraged him to move on out of the area.
    Probably can't do it in today's world but at one time "we" used to pick that type of guy up bring him out to the city limits, put him out, and tell him not to come back. It worked pretty good, but that was another era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaplain Scott View Post
    PAcanis: Yep, On the one hand, this WAS a "non-event". On the other hand this gentleman was already know to our security folks as somebody that they "have been having trouble with". I've had my truck broken into before and my Glock stolen. BUT, my main point here is that something just felt "wrong" or "wierd" and I followed up and got security on it--and they knew the guy and had been having trouble with him--which confirmed (at least to me) that my "feelings" about something "not being right" were indeed correct.
    My wife works the switchboard at the hospital here. She says they have several "problem" people that security is constantly having to deal with. They range from the nutcase that has threatened every ER doctor and nurse if he isn't treated ASAP when he shows up with a headache. He is now banned from the hospital after several fights in ER. Then there is the homeless guy that tries to set up house in an bathroom everytime the temps drop below 50. There is another begger that likes to hang out in the parking lot asking for dollar for a coffee, then heads to the nearest bar when he has enough for a good drunk. The have several patients from the psychatric wing that have been know to flee down the street in hospital gown or less on several occasions.
    The wife works second shift so she leaves work around midnight. Luckily security is good about escorting the girls leaving late to their cars. She can't carry because hospitals are gun free zones in Michigan.

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    Pay attention to those gut feelings (spidey senses)......


    Ignoring the hairs that stand up can be one of the last things a person ever does. I don't ignore it. Ever. It means the subconscious has put two+two together and found an anomaly somewhere, in spite of whatever we might see or hear at the moment. Simple caution is due.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post


    Ignoring the hairs that stand up can be one of the last things a person ever does. I don't ignore it. Ever. It means the subconscious has put two+two together and found an anomaly somewhere, in spite of whatever we might see or hear at the moment. Simple caution is due.
    Very well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAcanis View Post
    Thanks for your answers.
    I have only recently started getting "back into" guns again, not that I have ever been without, and am trying to grasp the scenarios presented here and adapt them to my life. I have noticed lately that I have been walking around with a heightened sense of awareness, but at the same time I am trying to balance that with not thinking every person I see is out to get me or mine. It's a tough compromise sometimes, but I find that reading the various scenarios and real life events here has been useful.
    Someone on this site had a trick he described to help sort all the people around you. I will try to repeat it for you:

    Most people you encounter in life will be on a mission of some sort. They will be going to or from something, or doing something. Examples would be Pushing a shopping cart to their car, going into a store, playing hoops in the park, jogging etc. If you see a person and can immediately discern what they are doing then they are on a mission and PROBABLY not a threat.

    Let's say we are in a Wally World parking lot. With 20 people around you there are just too many to really watch them all closely. Here is where the trick comes in. Look at what people are doing, are they on a mission? Yes? Then move on to the next person. When you find someone not doing anything you can figure out right away then this is a person that bears more scrutiny.
    It is surely true that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Nor can you make them grateful for your efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    Someone on this site had a trick he described to help sort all the people around you. I will try to repeat it for you:

    Most people you encounter in life will be on a mission of some sort. They will be going to or from something, or doing something. Examples would be Pushing a shopping cart to their car, going into a store, playing hoops in the park, jogging etc. If you see a person and can immediately discern what they are doing then they are on a mission and PROBABLY not a threat.

    Let's say we are in a Wally World parking lot. With 20 people around you there are just too many to really watch them all closely. Here is where the trick comes in. Look at what people are doing, are they on a mission? Yes? Then move on to the next person. When you find someone not doing anything you can figure out right away then this is a person that bears more scrutiny.
    This is usually quite true. Of course some bad guys might be smart enough to "pretend" to be doing something "normal" that's usually where your spidey sense picks up something "wrong" about the way they are moving/acting. LISTEN TO IT!


    Ignoring the hairs that stand up can be one of the last things a person ever does. I don't ignore it. Ever. It means the subconscious has put two+two together and found an anomaly somewhere, in spite of whatever we might see or hear at the moment. Simple caution is due.
    Amen! Mine has NEVER been wrong. The "spidey sense" is far more trustworthy than anybody or anything else. As I've been known to say, live by instinct, or die by logic.
    I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them. -- John Wayne as John B. Books in "The Shootist"

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