Police Brutality - How do you respond?
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October 22nd, 2010 10:04 PM
Police Brutality - How do you respond?
You're driving home with your significant other. Police pulls you over. Asks you and your loved one(s) to step out of the car. While doing so, your significant other asks, "Why officer? We haven't done anything wrong!".
The officer cuffs your significant other and then proceeds to punching her to the head 13 times, and then uses a taser shock. Your S.O. lies on the ground unconscious and helpless while the officer continues his attack.
You are carrying your usual. What do you do?
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October 22nd, 2010 10:26 PM
Its a tough question. If you try to fight it out in the streets with the police you will surely die or be seriously injured, you cant win when they have an army. The police will always say you resisted or some other line in order to justify their response even when you may have done nothing. More and more in our society we are seeing these kinds of events, and people wonder why my 100% support for the police has dropped to near none.
I just dont see a way of winning a physcal battle, but you better bet a good lawer will be called along with the DOJ.
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October 22nd, 2010 10:33 PM
Well, being in that situation, and being a retired LEO, I'd shoot him dead, then call the State Police.
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October 22nd, 2010 10:39 PM
If it were against me, covering up and surviving the street situation as best I can would be the plan, all the while speaking as clearly and slowly as I could the words "I am not a felon; I am not resisting you" (or other words to help calm the idiot pummeling me). It would be followed by an extremely expensive trip down legal lane for the city (at the hands of my attorney). While I'd have every right to defend myself right then and there against clear illegal and harsh brutality and the right to do what was necessary to stop it, the likelihood of surviving "attacking a police officer" would be low. I'll deal with it later. The one bright spot is that it doesn't happen all that often, relatively speaking.
AGainst someone I was with? I still feel speaking calmly, simply and assertively to the officer would be the way to go. Frankly, if it was looking to be a deadly situation, I might well draw and demand he cease the deadly attack. If having to do that, I wouldn't expect to have the truth come through in the aftermath to the degree it needed, given the array of forced stacked. Tough call.
October 22nd, 2010 10:46 PM
This. I don't care who it is, but if ANYONE is beating my significant other, or my second wife, they will get shot. I will be arrested and I will cooperate. I'm sure they'll be an investigation and trial and all that stuff, but I'm not gonna stand by and do nothing while someone I love is being beaten.
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October 22nd, 2010 10:50 PM
Defense is defense. You alone make the call at the time. I hear living in prison aint so bad so long as you can take Bubba from the south side. It is what it is, and I'll never be one to sit back and watch some idiot punching my wife. I'm going down no matter what. I think of myself as well-defined. I'll never be taken by the enemy, and I'll defend my own to the death.
October 22nd, 2010 10:53 PM
"I do what I do." Cpl 'coach' Bowden, "Southern Comfort".
October 22nd, 2010 10:58 PM
It comes to how the physicality is occurring, for me. If warranted, I can understand where heavy-handed handling comes from. But in no case is "13 punches to the head" or a beating to within an inch of a person's life warranted or justified with someone who isn't a felon and isn't resisting. Not ever. The trick is going to be clearly distinguishing the difference, when the pot is on "boil" and one is seeing another unreasonably handled.
Originally Posted by deafdave3
October 22nd, 2010 11:09 PM
ill take my chances with the courts, i gotta protect my wife/girlfriend/mother/sister and if i go to jail because of it, thats fine too
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October 22nd, 2010 11:09 PM
Tough call. It will depend on several factors.
As far as the video, I wonder what the video DOESN'T show. Here is a thread that comes to mind.
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October 23rd, 2010 02:08 AM
This is the second police brutality thread in as many weeks....is this something a lot of people are worried about?? Seriously?
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October 23rd, 2010 03:38 AM
Considering most officers wear vests here i'd have to make a judgement call if I could hit him in the head and/or how fast I could close the gap so that I could before he turned and drew.
I wouldnt want to be the guy outa ammo with a cop that just got unloaded on getting up drawing his gun after his vest ate all your ammo.
October 23rd, 2010 04:31 AM
+1 I will defend my own till the end against any man woman or child......
Originally Posted by Ram Rod
Cop bashing sir!! LE is the most publicized profession.
Originally Posted by SIGguy229
October 23rd, 2010 05:06 AM
In this situation Texas allows you to respond but not with deadly force generally.
This however is a no win situation and don't feel that is something that will come up in my lifetime.
Differences in the OP's scenario and the video show the 18 year old was clearly not handcuffed already, and he was stopped after a suspected drug deal with the driver of the vehicle having already escaped. I doubt very seriously that the OP's scenario being stopped for a traffic violation, cuffing the wife, and starting the beat down with other passengers in the vehicle is realistic.
If for some strange reason it did happen, I would have to look at the situation then and probably look for a less than lethal option of stopping the attack if verbal communication with the officer failed. A 911 call with the line left open might be an option if you had to act.
(c) The use of force to resist an arrest or search is justified:
(1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or
person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force
than necessary to make the arrest or search; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the
force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officer's
(or other person's) use or attempted use of greater force than
(d) The use of deadly force is not justified under this subchapter
except as provided in Sections 9.32, 9.33, and 9.34.
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October 23rd, 2010 05:16 AM
Well lets use the video posted as a reference. The passenger, your SO is being beaten by the officer, you draw your weapon to defend them in that circumstance you would be shot by the other 3 or 4 officers before you get your first round off.
I truly do not know what I would do. Verbal intervention yep, physical intervention yep, restrain and secure yep don't know past that.
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