Disproportionally sized attacker

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    Disproportionally sized attacker

    I was having a discussion with a coworker about appropriate reactions in certain self defense situations. He said that the law (bear in mind he provides no evidence on this) prohibits an individual from defending themselves against a smaller or weaker individual, even if that person has a weapon. His example was if I (6'2'' 185lbs male) was attacked by a 5'2'' 110lbs women with a baseball bat, I would not be able to use a firearm or even my bare fists to defend myself. My response was that she has the means to cause me serious bodily harm and that I felt my life or limb was in jeopardy, I could and would use any available means to defend myself. I feel I am in the right here, but would like to get some opinions from others.
    If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous. If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid for?


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    You're friend is wrong.

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    In Louisiana, you're friend is wrong.
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    He is misinformed, if the individual in question presents a credible threat.
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    Ask your co worker that if that's so why isn't there an over abundance of midget ninjas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beequick View Post
    I was having a discussion with a coworker about appropriate reactions in certain self defense situations. He said that the law (bear in mind he provides no evidence on this) prohibits an individual from defending themselves against a smaller or weaker individual, even if that person has a weapon.
    Please have him cite the chapter and verse of this alleged law.

    Quote Originally Posted by beequick View Post
    His example was if I (6'2'' 185lbs male) was attacked by a 5'2'' 110lbs women with a baseball bat, I would not be able to use a firearm or even my bare fists to defend myself.
    Your friend is an idiot. Regardless of size, that baseball bat will do serious damage and cause death.

    Quote Originally Posted by beequick View Post
    My response was that she has the means to cause me serious bodily harm and that I felt my life or limb was in jeopardy, I could and would use any available means to defend myself. I feel I am in the right here, but would like to get some opinions from others.
    You are right. I repeat, your friend is an idiot..but not a complete one....a civil suit would be quick to follow, unless you live in a castle doctrine state.
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    I don't know where your friend is getting his info. A 13 year old with a butcher knife can kill you just as quick as someone of legal drinking age.

    If the threat is real, immediate and credible it gets eliminated whether they wear underroos or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    I don't know where your friend is getting his info. A 13 year old with a butcher knife can kill you just as quick as someone of legal drinking age.

    If the threat is real, immediate and credible it gets eliminated whether they wear underroos or not.
    Anyone that is able to segway Underoos into ANY conversation, for any reason, is ok in my book! lol Man, I miss my Superman and Spidey Underoos. My wife is deathly afraid of my finding adult sized ones. She knows I will buy and proudly wear them :)

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    The key in SD/HD laws is a viable threat, not age. Obviously, a six year old with a baseball bat is not a real threat one would perceive as such, but there are some big and nasty 12 year olds that might not even need a bat to do serious harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beequick View Post
    I was having a discussion with a coworker about appropriate reactions in certain self defense situations. He said that the law (bear in mind he provides no evidence on this) prohibits an individual from defending themselves against a smaller or weaker individual, even if that person has a weapon. His example was if I (6'2'' 185lbs male) was attacked by a 5'2'' 110lbs women with a baseball bat, I would not be able to use a firearm or even my bare fists to defend myself. My response was that she has the means to cause me serious bodily harm and that I felt my life or limb was in jeopardy, I could and would use any available means to defend myself. I feel I am in the right here, but would like to get some opinions from others.
    your friend is an idiot.... btw the 5'4" tall 2nd degree black belt (1st degree in karate) woman in my class could wreck him. and guess what, you won't know who is a trained fighter by looking at them...she trains with weapons and hand to hand.
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    Agreed with everyone else.

    Your friend is confused in the head about 'the law'.
    He is forgetting that disparity of force is not singularly based on the relative sizing of an individual by specifically height & weight.

    For example:
    * A 6'2'' 185 lbs. male attacked by a 5'2'' 110 lbs. woman using a Louisville Slugger as armed, with intent (!); IS a notable disparity of force to the males disadvantage.
    * A 6'2'' 185 lbs. male attacked by a 5'2'' 110 lbs. woman using a plastic Wiffle Ball bat as armed, with intent (!); IS NOT a notable disparity of force to the males disadvantage.
    * A 6'2'' 185 lbs. male attacked by a 5'2'' 110 lbs. woman using a plastic Wiffle Ball bat as armed, with intent (!); IS a notable disparity of force to the males disadvantage if the male is handicapped in some way such as being one handed or unable to flee for having his leg(s) immobilized (i.e. wheelchair bound).

    Your friend is not taking into account ALL of the conditions of as in the totality of a given events specific and very relevant facts, toward making an assessment of how a given states legal system might view a situation of self defense.
    Further not all men are built youthful, tall and strapping...Just as not all women _at all_ are built as being dainty, frail & weak 98 lbs. weaklings.

    Any man, any woman, any youth/child and the smallest of yippy dogs along with the largest and most belligerent of canines (singular not as a breed broad) can all be active and very serious immediate threats as related to intent AND the relative ability of the subject victim to defend him/her/itself.

    I would not think twice to defend myself against _ANY_ woman or being who might have intent, means (armed) and ability (she is separated from me by nothing more than inches of air space) to do me physical harm.
    This is by my own training, and life experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Agreed with everyone else.

    Your friend is confused in the head about 'the law'.
    He is forgetting that disparity of force is not singularly based on the relative sizing of an individual by specifically height & weight.

    For example:
    * A 6'2'' 185 lbs. male attacked by a 5'2'' 110 lbs. woman using a Louisville Slugger as armed, with intent (!); IS a notable disparity of force to the males disadvantage.
    * A 6'2'' 185 lbs. male attacked by a 5'2'' 110 lbs. woman using a plastic Wiffle Ball bat as armed, with intent (!); IS NOT a notable disparity of force to the males disadvantage.
    * A 6'2'' 185 lbs. male attacked by a 5'2'' 110 lbs. woman using a plastic Wiffle Ball bat as armed, with intent (!); IS a notable disparity of force to the males disadvantage if the male is handicapped in some way such as being one handed or unable to flee for having his leg(s) immobilized (i.e. wheelchair bound).

    Your friend is not taking into account ALL of the conditions of as in the totality of a given events specific and very relevant facts, toward making an assessment of how a given states legal system might view a situation of self defense.
    Further not all men are built youthful, tall and strapping...Just as not all women _at all_ are built as being dainty, frail & weak 98 lbs. weaklings.

    Any man, any woman, any youth/child and the smallest of yippy dogs along with the largest and most belligerent of canines (singular not as a breed broad) can all be active and very serious immediate threats as related to intent AND the relative ability of the subject victim to defend him/her/itself.

    I would not think twice to defend myself against _ANY_ woman or being who might have intent, means (armed) and ability (she is separated from me by nothing more than inches of air space) to do me physical harm.
    This is by my own training, and life experience.

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    lets also not forget people have filled wiffle bats with concrete....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctsketch View Post
    lets also not forget people have filled wiffle bats with concrete....
    ouch
    If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous. If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid for?

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    Self-defense is a one size fits all type of thing'. Now, if you shoot a 98-year old grandma who is beating you with an umbrella, you may have some explaining to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saber View Post
    Self-defense is a one size fits all type of thing'. Now, if you shoot a 98-year old grandma who is beating you with an umbrella, you may have some explaining to do.
    I don't know about that, I've seen some pretty nasty grandmas with some wicked looking umbrellas
    If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous. If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid for?

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