This is a discussion on The Picnic within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by glockman10mm Chivvalry, I love what I do. Yeah the pays not what it should be, I'm still at work right now. Started ...
It’s good you want to help get rid of the bad guys but to risk death over words is not reasonable. We need good cops and your family needs you too. 15 against 1 are odds that are not very good. I’m with you in believing that people shouldn’t have to put up with crap from scum but in our society that’s the way it is. To bad I couldn’t just drive down the road about 300 yards away from them, get out with my varminter AR and leave no survivors but the law doesn’t allow this. You don’t have to win every battle to win the war, I hope you reconsider your actions in this scenario for your families sake.
PRO-SECOND AMENDMENT - Live Free or Die
Fortune favors the bold.
Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free.
The thing about "defense" is that it has practically nothing to do with guns. (As passed on by CCW9MM)
Foolish pride, under any circumstance, is just that....foolish.
That entire post sounded like a poorly written script from a C level action movie that went straight to video.(thats a haha joke)
While each man has his limits and every man should have some level of pride and character....looking to kill over insulting words to your wife is utterly ridiculous lol My wife and I are both sitting here reading this and honestly laughing. She said she would have my head if I ever acting like a dumba$$ and put my life at risk over insults to her or the kids. I do agree that hearing someone insult your family and walking away or turning the other cheek is one ******* tough pill to swallow....words are not worth dying or killing over. And opting for the more intelligent, less lethal outcome...especially when the family's life is not being threatened...does not make someone a coward.
Too much of this "good ole boy" country bravado around here with refering to others as cowards if their opinions and/or actions differ from the one being presented.
Talking about experiences making us who we are....I'll just say this and leave it where it is. I've seen enough death in my short time on this earth to last me 100 lifetimes....and that's seriously an understatement. One thing and one thing alone will force me to take another man's life without hesitation...if my or my family's lives are being threatened. I've said before...there are circumstances where a 3rd party's life may be in danger and I would have to make a judgement call at that time.
Words are words. In no way would I even remotely consider shooting a man for disrespecting my wife. Would I slap him in the chops if it came to it? Sure. But to sit here and say you would actively engage in shooting and possibly killing someone over insults? Ridiculous. Nothing else to say.
I love the way people get bent out of shape by my comments. Truth is, I don't really know if that's the way it would go down. When I wrote that I was pissed off by the scenario. But I'm not goin to change my mind cause some people don't agree. I don't know exactly how it would play out. I just know when the family was safely gone, it's gonna be dealt with.
They are going to be placed under arrest, and detained until the Calvary arrives. I will do what is necassary to effect this. Period. I don't see it as stupid, bravado, too much "good ole boy" hormone as some have suggested.
Further more I never suggested specifically that anyone here was a coward. But if the boot fits wear it, otherwise don't throw it out there.
As far as my family goes, my daughter is grown, and the wife doesn't run me. She knows and understands when it comes to my job, her imput is limited. We made this clear early on, and the front door swings both ways.
As far as getting killed, my policies are paid up, and I wake up everyday with the attitude that today's as good a day to go as yesterday or tommorow.
Going into a situation like that, you have got to make an impression right now. As I played the scenario out in my mind, as it pertains to me and my jurisdiction, I knew that due to the severe disadvantage in numbers, the level of force needed to control this situation would call for a greater level than normally used.
Yes, if things began to go bad, and they decided to mob me, someone will get it somewhere.
They will either comply with lawful directives, or rebel. So you better make an impression quickly.
So flame on. I think it's funny. It just re enforces some things I already know.
Me as a non-LEO citizen, I'm getting the heck out of Dodge. As soon as they rolled in I'd be gone. It's not my job to detain/arrest anyone, so in this case I'm going to make a tactical retreat and live to take care of my family another day.
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Common sense tells me that even if I had a Marine Division join my picnic, nothing good could come of staying there. Just leave! The very best outcome of a gun fight is to not be there when it happens.
"If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Place on Earth!" Ronald Reagan
While I agree that in many situations a strategic withdrawal may be the best course of action, I believe that serious evaluation of the circumstances of a situation is required to determine if that is the best and safest course of action.
If one looks at the elements that Tueller brought to light, I believe that there is some relavance to the situation in question. That is, that based on the distance and number of individuals involved, the time window for action may be as little as three to five seconds to assess, react, take action and stem the attack of not one but a considerable number of aggressors. In addition, contrary to Tueller, the aggressors may be attacking several targets (you, wife, children) simultaneously. This suggests that withdrawal, in this particular situation, may be considerably more hazardous than it first appears.
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"I do what I do." Cpl 'coach' Bowden, "Southern Comfort".
I'm glad picnic season is over:)
Again, this situation needs to be evaluated with two different viewpoints. Quantes and GMan are LEOs. They have options the rest of us do not have. They can issue orders and commands which if issued by any of the rest of us would be "escalation." They can hold, detain, arrest. And they can use lethal force if necessary to protect themselves and enforce their commands should the gang members be uh, uncooperative.
Quantes elected to display a firearm in a manner which might cause the rest of us trouble in the form of a man with a gun call initiated by the BGs.
Gman simply stated that he would hold his ground and effect an arrest once his family was safe. Bravado? Maybe. But given his other statements here about being in fights several times a year and given his general background both before and after become an LEO, I believe he would in fact prone them all out while waiting for the cavalry. Nuts to attempt that? Yes. But thank goodness we have a few good nuts in our midst.
In a polite tone, please note, Guantes (Gloves), not Quantes (similar to an airline).
"I do what I do." Cpl 'coach' Bowden, "Southern Comfort".