Came close to going hands on, condition orange

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    Came close to going hands on, condition orange

    So yesterday I was photographing two beautiful ladies at the local park. They were dressed like Disney princesses, and doing it well they could have worked at
    Disneyland. Needless to say this drew a lot of attention from kids and other people in the park.

    We had moved away from the most popular areas in order to have a little privacy and use some specific scenery when we were approached by a (presumably) homeless guy who was (very) drunk and possibly high on something.

    Immediatly I went to cond orange. I had my Taurus PT145 IWB at 430 so I moved my slung camera as far left as possible and moved between the girls and the guy. He was spewing typical drunk guy nonsence, asking for money being generally a nuscence rather than a real threat.

    He reached out and touched the wings on the girl dressed as Tinkerbell (she wasn't right behind me yet) at this point I somewhat forcefully placed myself into his way and asked him to leave. The girls backed off further and I stressed thet we didn't want to be rude but were trying to get some work done.

    At this point he left, I kept my eye on him as he went and bothered another group of people who decided to call the police on him.

    We left the area before seeing if the police arrived and what they did.

    Only my assistant was aware I was carrying. He was suprised I didn't go to more of a defensive posture by uncovering the weapon or preparing to draw. I explained to him how this would have escalated the situation and was unnessisary.

    I was pretty close however to grabbing the guy and forcing him to move along (especially when he tried to touch one of the girls). I'm really glad it didn't come to that.
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    All in all, well done!
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    Messin' with Tinkerbell, he deserved shot. Nothing worse than a drunk assaulting a fairy. J/K

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    Sounds like it was handled appropriately. Good Job!

    Just be advised when in close proximity to what appears to be an intoxicated, homeless, panhandler, always be ready for them to produce an edged weapon. Most of them don't walk around with guns, but living on the streets, a lot of them have a knife or some kind of improvised edged weapon or club. Some will become aggressive or boisterous when their request for a hand-out is rebuffed by your stern requests to get lost, or move along.

    Going "hands on" with one of them in an attempt to "escort" them on their way, could result in your gut getting sliced before you know what's happening if you're not careful.
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    Excellent job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    Going "hands on" with one of them in an attempt to "escort" them on their way, could result in your gut getting sliced before you know what's happening if you're not careful.
    Believe me that was utmost on my mind. He seemed harmless, but ya never know right. Given our difference in size and my training at the navy police academy as well as ongoing martial arts I'm fairly certian that unless he was a pro knife fighter I could have disarmed him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser Sailor View Post
    Believe me that was utmost on my mind. He seemed harmless, but ya never know right. Given our difference in size and my training at the navy police academy as well as ongoing martial arts I'm fairly certian that unless he was a pro knife fighter I could have disarmed him.
    +1 on that!
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    For the sake of discussion, would you have done anything different if you weren't carrying? What I'm getting at is, did having a firearm give you the courage to intervene, or would you have done the same regardless? It's a character check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    For the sake of discussion, would you have done anything different if you weren't carrying? What I'm getting at is, did having a firearm give you the courage to intervene, or would you have done the same regardless? It's a character check.
    Having the firearm made me more reluctant to escalate the situation. But no in reality it didn't change what I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser Sailor View Post
    Believe me that was utmost on my mind. He seemed harmless, but ya never know right. Given our difference in size and my training at the navy police academy as well as ongoing martial arts I'm fairly certian that unless he was a pro knife fighter I could have disarmed him.
    Wasn't too long ago a guy highly trained in the martial arts was stabbed to death,there was a thread on it here
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    I saw that thread. I'm not being cocky, I am however confidant. Confidence is key to victory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser Sailor View Post
    Having the firearm made me more reluctant to escalate the situation. But no in reality it didn't change what I did.
    Perfectly good answer. No argument here.
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    All worked out in the end. Could have been much worse. +1 on the knife comment. A friend of mine lost his life to a vagrant crack head who tried to rob him. He went hands on with the guy and was slashed to death. Never assume the outcome or the situation. Distance is your friend.

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    Great job, OP, but there's one burning question and I apologize for even asking it..... were you legal to be carrying in this particular park? I know that a lot of states and cities forbid carrying in parks (stupid, I know).

    Just checking. Otherwise, great response.
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