The scenario used at recent Action Shoot

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    The scenario used at recent Action Shoot

    You are an Iraq war veteran. You have returned from the War because you broke your back and are temperarily confined to a wheelchair. While on the boardwalk, you and your family are surrounded by bad guys.

    Some targets are hostile and some are not, by using knife indicators.

    The only rules are your feet must stay planted and so must your butt.

    It was interesting, I never thought shooting from a chair (with no rest) would be any more difficult. I took 2 missed shots at about 12 yards to get it right, but after that it was fine. I guess I need to add a lawn chair to my range bag.


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    The chair is always good range practice. I like to set up with a target stand set up to the left side of the chair to simulate shooting out a car window. It requires a shooter to really work on being ambidextrous if you set up targets at 2:00 and 10:00.

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    I think it's really valuable to practice shooting techniques from a seated position. I practiced that some on my last range trip -- 2-handed, right-handed, left-handed. It could apply whether you're at your desk, at a dinner table, restaurant, or in your vehicle.

    On a recent "Guns & Ammo TV", Rob Leatham demonstrated techniques for dealing with 3 assailants in a carjack scenario, showing varied grips, switching hands, etc. As much time as we all spend in our vehicles, it's worth some range-time.

    Man, I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous . . .
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    We setup a seated scenario once!
    It was a toilet seated scenario where we simulated sitting on the "pot" with your pants down. (had our legs held with a rope!) That was an interesting drill to say the least.
    I wear a seatbelt, but I hope to never need it, I use smoke detectors in my house, but I hope to never need them, I carry life insurance, but I hope to never need it, I carry a weapon, but I hope to never need it.

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    Engaging BGs from being seated in cars is a crucial skill.



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    "Man, I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous . . ."

    Me, too. Blueyed Devil and (forgive me) toilet-man had good training ideas.

    Any other suggestions on the carjacking drill? It's a vital skill, and one that, until now, I had completely overlooked.

    Ideas, folks?

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    sit in your vehicle and try some empty gun draw and shoot drills. check out how much space you have, how the steering wheel gets in the way and if you need to lean or move to draw and shoot.
    The seatbelt may really hamper movement and draw as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky
    sit in your vehicle and try some empty gun draw and shoot drills. check out how much space you have, how the steering wheel gets in the way and if you need to lean or move to draw and shoot.
    The seatbelt may really hamper movement and draw as well.
    smart thinking, i should practice that

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    This is maybe the most useful thread I've run across so far. It's really gotten me to thinking about car carry and the way I've been doing it.

    I can do it a LOT better. I sat out in my truck yesterday afternoon, waiting to pick my wife up from work, and thought through some of the stuff I've read here. I tried some draws with an eye toward some scenarios.

    My cab is small (Toyota Tacoma) and I am big, (5'11", 265 lbs-not ALL of it is fat- I benched 375 yesterday). My steering wheel is going to be an impediment.

    I need a small gun that's very easy to reach. I have a 10mm in the door map compartment (in a zippered Bible case!). I need to get my Kahr PM9 out there in that Kingston rig (another thread), or similar setup.

    Maneuverability and accessibility are the watchwords here. Probably more important than barrier penetration capability, etc.

    Thanks, Folks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by randytulsa2
    I can do it a LOT better. I sat out in my truck yesterday afternoon, waiting to pick my wife up from work, and thought through some of the stuff I've read here. I tried some draws with an eye toward some scenarios.




    Thanks, Folks!
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    My Boss Puts His Gun On The Seat Under A Towel.says He Doesn't Want To Be Digging For It.saved His Butt Twice At 2 Dark Detroit Intersections.he Didn't Have To Shoot.

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    Gun on the seat, unsecured, seems like a bad idea to me... hit the brakes or take a turn and it's rolling around on the floor!

    In addition to my pocket carry CCW, I have a pistol that stays in a vehicle safe in the console. When I get in, I unlock it. Pocket (right front) would be tough to draw from with a seatbelt.

    I would think that your best weapon when you are in your car is the car itself. Be aware, don't allow yourself to be blocked in, and _drive_.

    That said, some practice while seated seems like a good idea. Other than seated at a bench, I don't know that I've ever tried firing from a seated position. I know I've never practiced drawing while seated.
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    last IDPA match

    at the last match about 3 weeks ago someone came up with
    a "bus driver scenario" you were the driver, no vehicle involved
    but a fake wheel on a stick leaning against a saw horse with the
    gun on the crossmember load ready to go.

    Objective. take out the boarding BG, after this start moving
    backwards, there is a clip on your belt with a line attached to
    a gate latch, as you move backwards a target gets released
    its on rollers and that is attached to a bungee cord.

    Its to simulate a BG coming after you as you proceed to the back
    of the bus. You need to get 2 shots into it before it stops.

    You don;t have much time here. I think most of the times
    recorded were in the less than 5 second range. Gets you
    thinking about the time you have.

    JimB

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