This is a discussion on "You da man,you da man!" within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; My point still stands... If the OP saw this guy coming, instead of avoiding a potential confrontation, he welcomed one...
My point still stands... If the OP saw this guy coming, instead of avoiding a potential confrontation, he welcomed one
Magazine <> clip - know the difference
martyr is a fancy name for crappy fighter
You have never lived until you have almost died. For those that have fought for it, life has a special flavor the protected will never know
Always remember that others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself.
Richard M Nixon
Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.”
Bladen... as i have said, some feel threatened in lesser situations. Some, in states that allow, open carry. Some do it as a statement, some do it as a deterrent.
Some believe that an armed society is a polite society... Granted, going around pointing guns at people willy nilly will undoubtedly get you arrested.
On the other hand, when other means have failed, and (disclaimer warning) in the right situation, demonstrating that you are prepared to defend yourself prior to the actual need, can be a prudent, life and limb saving action.
In the cases where "it worked, this time" we note that the poster is still around to post his story. We can only assume that the person by whom he was threatened did not see fit to report his own illegal activity to the police in complaining about a man wielding a handgun... Why would that be?
Even experts in self defense law have said that what some here consider brandishing, simple display of a weapon on the hip for example, has acted as a deterrent.
I don't advocate pointing a weapon at anyone, unless one feels threatened. My definition of threatened, may differ from others, but I believe myself to be a "reasonable man" You won't find me pointing my weapon at someone because they are 21 feet away from me, and I don't like the way they look.
On the other hand, if they are less than 4 feet away from me, trying to get into my car (as evinced by their trying to work the latch), hiding something behind them, I might very well point it at them, especially if I have given every other indication that I want no further interaction with them.
You do what you do, I'll do what I do... I'm not intent on breaking any laws, losing my permit, or showing anybody I'm a bigger man than he. I am only interested in protecting myself.
It could be worse!
most people do blade there body and leave a hand behind them when they reach for a door handle...many even do it when entering their home...i dont recall anything being hidden behind the man as he hurriedly left the scene...
the guy who the gun was pointed at didnt call the police...he was probably scared
my theory..take it for what its worth...
op spots some "suspicious" looking guys and decides hes gonna play private eye...parks and keeps an eye on them...while he thinks hes invisible they are watching him...not uncommon in drug country for a car to pull up and wait for a dealer to approach...the guy decides the car is there for a deal and approaches it...signals for the parked car to roll the window down but is denied by the op...who by now is wondering what he got himself into and instead of warning the guy off just shakes his head but has drawn his gun in preparation while he watched the guy approach...i dont believe the afternoon traffic excuse....the guy approaches the door of the car to open it and deal..and ends up with a gun in his face...surprised he wanders off stating "you da man"...and pumps an ego further...no horn blown to draw attention...brandished a gun but did not report the incident...but its ok becasue the other guy didnt call either?....if a tree falls in the woods and there is nobody there to hear it does it still make a sound?...
Last edited by HotGuns; December 22nd, 2010 at 08:28 PM. Reason: language workaround
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
Many here have said they would avoid situations in which they were likely to be threatened. Others have said any time, any place, anybody. The OP gives us a situation to consider. It is/was HIS situation... he handled it in the best way he could think of at the moment, under some level of duress. We, sitting here at our PCs, were not in his shoes, or in this case, parking spot. All points of view are valid, and these are mental exercises which will give us yet another bunch of ideas to process when/if the time comes.
As to the potential BG being too scared to call the cops... because he was a drug dealer? So a crime was deterred, and possibly the BG's will seek out some other area to commit their crimes... and that's a bad thing? At WORST... The OP was a bit premature in pointing his weapon. At the least, it wasn't innocents that learned that they never can tell whether John or Jane Q. might be packing and ready to defend themselves against bad things happening.
I'm not really disparaging your view of the situation... I'm merely suggesting that we look at it for what it is and put ourselves in the same situation. The OP may not have been 100% right, but he is 100% alive. We can learn from the experience, think about what we might have done, postulate our theories, and still come away with new information that we can use.
It could be worse!
Over the line. You're lucky you're not in jail tonight.
Also, the word is "moot", not mute.
To honk the horn may have been like staying on the phone with 911 while you are being beaten to death. It could have acted as a deterrent, but maybe not. You and I agree more often than not, Mac... but here you are making the case for what the OP did.
It could be worse!
You da man! I don't care what anyone says. You have every right to sit in your car and not be harassed. I agree with advoiding trouble when ever possibile but in some situtations you need to stand up for yourself. It's not like you went looking for it. Hopefully that scumbag learned his lesson.
That said, your Lordship, I didn't see anything in the OP about forcible entry. He states the person in question "started to reach for my car door handle." That's the money quote. The OP then pulls his gun and points it at the person. As far I can tell from his admittedly sketchy description of the encounter, he's not being "harrassed", threatened, or the victim of a forcible entry. His car door was locked, and even if the guy pulls the handle, he would find the door locked. He didn't claim his door handle was even touched.
Explain to a jury how that's "forcible entry or a felony".
I guess your law book definition of "forcible entry" is different from everyone elses'.
He feels it's threatening enough a situation to point a weapon at someone, but not threatening enough to notify the authorities. Interesting. He does, however, take time to come here and boast about using his weapon to threaten deadly force on some pedestrian he thinks may have bad intent. On a busy street. In front of a bank. In the middle of the day.
Even a bunch of good old boys on a jury down here would have trouble swallowing that. IN MY OPINION.
I'm not going to risk my freedom for that non-specific a "threat".