July 15th, 2006 04:47 AM
Another ATM Robbery (w/scene image)
Knowns: You (Good Guy; GG) parked your car about 25-30 feet away from the atm. It is night time (about 11pm) and you are by yourself (there is no one in your car). Bad Guy (BG) comes to your left (out of camera view, it is aimed towards you) and points a gun at you demanding your money. When you approched the ATM the car was the only visible thing there and you have just finished entering your PIN.
Unknowns: There is one vehicle four spaces from your car that appears that no one is in it (no one visible). There is also a person in the shadows near the corner of the bank, unknown if the person is with the BG and/or is with the unknown vehicle. You did not see the BG or the other person when you approached the ATM.
Let's see how this goes!
July 15th, 2006 04:53 AM
Twist #1: You have one child in the backseat of your vehicle that is completely unaware of what is going on. The BG cannot see the child as they are too small for their head to show in the rear window of your vehicle. You have not practiced what to do in such events with your child.
Twist #2: The BG is also now demanding the keys to your vehicle.
Twist #3: The BG is also now demanding the keys to your vehicle and Twist #1 is in effect as well.
July 15th, 2006 06:49 AM
Walk up ATMs
You are STUPID for using a walk-up ATM outside at 11:00 PM.
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July 15th, 2006 06:55 AM
Rule numero uno, situational avoidance! I would never allow myself to get into this situation. I don't use ATM's as a rule. I have a credit or debit card I can use so why risk a walk up ATM at night? If I had a child in my car I can't think of a reason I'd need to be here at 11pm. A big part of self defense tactics is never putting ourselves in dangerous situations we can avoid, particularly when protecting our family!
If some bizarre emergency occured that forced me to this I would have cruised around this ATM to look over the situation and if cars or people were about I would have delayed untill they were gone or looked for a drive up ATM that I could swiftly and safely retreat from without leaving my vehicle. If it was a huge emergency and scoping out the ATM showed shady looking types about I might even call the police, explain the nature of the emergency and my fears of robbery and asked if a cruiser might be available for a minute as an escort. But like I said, a little planning should avoid the situation.
Probably not the answer you're looking for but that's more my approach to something like this.
If you stand up and be counted, from time to time you may get yourself knocked down. But remember this: A man flattened by an opponent can get up again. A man flattened by conformity stays down for good. ~ Thomas J. Watson, Jr.
July 15th, 2006 07:59 AM
Most of us have credit or debit cards and most have some sort of cash in the house, small amounts, grocery money etc. I see no reason to travel to an ATM especially with a child at this time of night.
As stated before i'm sure this is not the answer you wanted.
Bottom line here is you maybe screwed.
July 15th, 2006 08:39 AM
you did seem to paint yourself into a corner with this situation. I use drive up ATM's or would park near the ATM, space provided or not. Bottom line is awareness and avoidance as other posters suggested.
"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Thomas Jefferson
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July 15th, 2006 09:09 AM
By going to a walk-up ATM at 11:00 P.M., you've done yourself a grave disservice, and your child, too.
You can run and draw, hit the floor and draw, or just start shooting, as I see it.
Bad, bad deal.
July 15th, 2006 10:20 AM
Please Note ~ Moderator Request
I think it is great that our forum members are aware of situational avoidance.
That is a very good thing.
Please don't just jump in just to state that you personally would not visit an ATM at 11:00 PM as that is Off Topic to the thread.
Otherwise we're just going to fill up this thread with a whole list of members saying that they personally would not visit an ATM at Night.
Either Pretend/Imagine that it's a Dire Emergency Scenario & you are forced to visit the ATM at 11:00 PM ~ (where you found yourself in said situation) or don't reply to the thread.
July 15th, 2006 10:36 AM
Fight with everything you have and hope you win. About all you have left us with. Your situational awareness has already failed you, so at this point you are done. At that distance you are HTH. Maybe you can fight to a position where you can use your gun, but you probably have better odds at getting the BGs gun. You won't have much time depending on if the ED at the other end of the building is another thug of just a GF lookout who won't join in the physical altercation. Depending on the type you are up against you will likely be going to the hospital or the morgue. Based on the situation(s) presented you are screwed it's now up to you and the BG as to what statistic you (and possibly your kid) become. Good luck.
Procrastinators are the leaders of tomorrow.
July 15th, 2006 11:29 AM
Originally Posted by Scott
(Please note I didnt say anything about not using an ATM at 2300....)
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July 15th, 2006 02:33 PM
#1 It's against the law to leave a child alone inside a car!
#2 would not put myself or child in that kind of danger.
#3 Use the atm during day light Hours if you just have to get money out.
#4 Don't they have 24 grocer's that have ATM's inside them?
It comes a time in your life when you run across someone you should have never @#$$% with. Allow me to introduce myself!
July 15th, 2006 05:25 PM
If for any reason you survive any of these scenarios... go immediately to whoever issued your CCW and surrender it. When they ask why, tell them you're too stupid to be carrying a gun in public!
Seriously, these scenarios are wrought with very bad judgment. So much so that they are unrealistic. I and I hope you would never find myself in any of these situations!
This could be the classic case of "what NOT to do"!
Last edited by Thumper; July 15th, 2006 at 05:33 PM.
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July 15th, 2006 05:36 PM
Let him take the money. It's insured and you are no going to outdraw a drawn gun. In this situation you have to create the opportunity to get your gun out.
I'd just step back from the machine and let him have at it and keep backing up until I made it back to my car or cover. Meanwhile I would draw my weapon, but keep it at my side and not aimed at him. One, because in NC it's illegal to use deadly force force to protect property and the immediate threat is now over with him drooling over the ATM and two, because I don't want him to turn around or look in the ATM mirror, see a gun pointed at him, and open fire. I would think that I most cases, once he has taken what he can get out of the ATM, he's going to get of of Dodge and forget I was there. But if he did turn back around to finish me off, then at least I would have, hopefully, put some distance and cover between us, and my gun would be ready.
July 15th, 2006 07:01 PM
No use trying to reply to a situation in which I would not become involved.
Originally Posted by Wyoming
I see ATMs in all supermarkets. All Walmarts will give cash back with dibit cards.
All of the ATMs at banks in this area can be accessed from the vehicle, and ore in clear well lit areas.
July 15th, 2006 07:15 PM
"There's one problem, sir. My bank won't let me withdraw more than $200 per transaction, but if you'll wait just a second I have $250 in my pocket." (That's what I paid for the P-3AT anyway, though I guess it's not worth quite that much used. )
Just one possibility... and probably not what I would think of with limited time in a high pressure situation like that. lol
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