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Would you Draw 1st or Run

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    Hey gunsite: With regards to your reply, you say that 90 ft away is just your starting point. My reply really is saying that situational awareness and 90 ft away is my ending point----this is not my dog and this is not my fight. I am out of there--this is not what I call "my presumption of imminent threat of great bodily injury or death" and would have cause to think that if something "happened" a prosecutor or a jury would find my "presumption" at 90 ft to be excusable and correct. I do agree with you that talking the talk, as we are doing, and walking the walk are very different. Let us hope that we can always talk and never have to walk.


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    Since everything seems to "glimmer" in this bright FL sun, OP's supposed "weapon" would have to be a chromed-out "pimp-o-matic." That's another reason I bought a Glock; not glimmer. Easier to CC undetected in the sparkling FL sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sledzep01 View Post
    I would shut the TV off.
    Now that made me chuckle right there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Hey gunsite: With regards to your reply, you say that 90 ft away is just your starting point. My reply really is saying that situational awareness and 90 ft away is my ending point----this is not my dog and this is not my fight. I am out of there--this is not what I call "my presumption of imminent threat of great bodily injury or death" and would have cause to think that if something "happened" a prosecutor or a jury would find my "presumption" at 90 ft to be excusable and correct. I do agree with you that talking the talk, as we are doing, and walking the walk are very different. Let us hope that we can always talk and never have to walk.
    i was just making a point that 90 feet isn't that far away, to shoot at a target, yes its far, but to be within 90 feet of an incident isn't far at all... and that some situations don't always have a clear fight or flight option. At 75-90 feet you... i should say we, might not be able to identify the target actions as the original post stated, if we see people running from an area/person, can we ID the reason, would we retreat with others or advance to ID. What may be visible for some may not be visible from our location 75-90 away. A target thats shooting is easy, the option of flight or fight to stop the threat is clear, but a target (identified) standing fast with a weapon in their hand hanging at their side with a 1000 yard stare.... its decision time.

    We've all done it... at the mall waiting for our wives, girls, or kids, and you start the thought process of scenarios according to your surroundings. Take a moment next time and think of scenario as we described here when your at the mall, visualize the scenario and process your tactics/actions.

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    Humm about 75 feet you say, beyond the rang of what most can comfortabley shoot accurately at....
    How do you know the gun guy is a threat to you and not just stopping another threat....
    Moving targets are harder to hit....
    I practice moving and shooting all the time at the range...
    Insufficient data to shoot at anything, so it's duck n cover, dial 911, observe at the ready....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedBeau View Post
    I always practice tying my shoe as I reach down to draw from my ankle holster.
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    NONE, how many do you want?
    Well I want none as well, but the question didnt ask what I want


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    would put on my pocket ghillie suit.
    I need one of them
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    Hey gunsite: Still do not get it. God Bless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chivvalry View Post
    Guys... the scenario only says you saw a gun... it says nothing about holstered, drawn, being fired, being brandished, etc... there is no possible way to adequately assess any threat level whatsoever from this scenario as described so it is completely impossible to determine a course of action. For you guys that are already bobbin' and weavin' while drawing your piece and snapping off shots... take your meds, visit a day spa, have some hot chocolate, chill out....
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    Someone 80 feet away on a busy day at the mall in a crowded parking lot. Just how many folks are within that range? I think I see a gun? And what, make like a panty wetting anti and start world war III? Where's the threat? Did the wind just blow an off-duty LEO's jacket back and I saw a gun? Or a fellow ccw'er?? Is this a zombie foaming at the mouth and charging me?

    No perceived threat, no action on my part - not running, drawing or firing.
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    Kind of a ridiculous situation if you ask me. You should really put more thought into the scenarios you post if you want serious input.
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    In my neck of the woods, I'd stroll up and ask the guy what he's carrying. Probably talk shop a little bit, and then give him my cell number and ask him if he wants to join to gang shooting at the farm.
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    Really!

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    You need to also take in account that most malls have a 30.06 signs posted, you wouldn't be legally allowed to carry your weapon. (depending on state) Furthermore ES: Texas Penal Code Chapter 9 Sec Sec. 42.01 (8) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly: displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm.

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