Pit Bull Fast Approaching

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    Guantes,
    can you elaborate on your statement.


    If someone is charging at me across a lawn, with a weapon, with bloodlust in their eyes, are you saying I should wait until the attack happens before I drop them?Not arguing, just asking for clarification.
    Difficult to compare dogs and humans, but I will try, from my perspective. On the weapons, the dogs are part of its physical makeup, so comparatively speaking, you would have to compare them to a human using their physical makeup as the weapon, fists, feet etc. Using that, would you drop someone that was running at you with no extraneous weapons. I think not. You might prepare for an attack, but not preemptively, shoot, strike, that person until an attack was initiated. Personally I can tell more from human eyes than dog eyes, so again a comparison that is untenible, at least for me.

    It is a fine line, either way, and in some cases things observed and articulated would justfy preemptive action, but I think that that would be the exception rather than the rule.
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    The problem with pit bulls is that they are very aggressive and territorial dogs, so it is very hard to read their intentions when charging at you. A pit bull attacked a lady friend of mine when she was 9 years old (it was her dad's pit bull) and it bit a huge chunk of her cheek away. The dog attacked her because they were playing in the yard and she tugged on her ear and the dog reacted aggressively. The father had to shoot the dog to make him stop in order to rush her to the hospital. Therefore, I can totally understand anyone that feels "scared" if a pit bull is rushing towards their kids and pregnant wife.

    I don't think I would shoot any dog charging at a group of people since most of the time they just want to play and be pet, but when it comes to a pit bull I would at least assume a 50% - 60% chance that it will attack. Therefore, I would be prepared in fight mode as you did. Any dog can be defeated with your hands, feet or a stick so shooting a dog should be the last resource in this kind of situation. For the future, I recommend you report the incident to the local authorities and inform you neighbor that he needs to restrain his dog or the authorities will pay him a visit. It is better to act now and prevent a tragedy with such a ferocious animal roaming free around the neighborhood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    Guantes,
    can you elaborate on your statement.


    If someone is charging at me across a lawn, with a weapon, with bloodlust in their eyes, are you saying I should wait until the attack happens before I drop them?Not arguing, just asking for clarification.
    I am not Guantes, but the difference in your two post I feel is the "with bloodlust in their eyes". That would get you shot, but a dog charging you to be petted will not have bloodlust in its eyes.

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    As I have posted before when I am out with my Doberman and Staffordshire Terrier I have pepper spray and a cane or ASP, sometimes a firearm but most likely not in my neighborhood. I have defended myself while on duty against large dogs coming at me with the intention to attack (yes you can generally tell if they are in an aggressive mode ) and my baton and strikes to the head and neck have been more than enough for the dogs to change their minds. I have been in the same situations with adult male humans with the same positive results. If deadly force is needed then by all means use it, just make sure you can justify it. Reading body language as Guantes eluded to is a very nessessary ability to cultivate when dealing with two or four legged critters.
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    Most dogs can easily be convinced to change their minds without a shot being fired. Pepper spray, running at them aggressively and loudly with whatever is in your hands are one of several effective ways to stop an attack before it happens. I've used these myself many times.

    I've seen trained protection/police dog prospects run from a man making a racket with a garbage bag.

    On a slightly different topic, some of the same fears and phobias we have of certain breeds of dogs is why breed specific legislation exsists today...so much so that some breeds are banned in certain areas of the country. Sound familiar? Not placing the blame where it should be?

    I do my very best not to punish dogs because of their incompetent owners. A gun is the very last option for me.
    Last edited by Luis50; March 13th, 2011 at 06:25 PM. Reason: Added "before it happens".
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    I love dogs, however I have been bitten twice as an adult and mauled nearly to death as a child (GSD all three times). I would have shot that dog and not lost a minute of sleep about it. When the police arrived I would have calmly articulated why I was in fear for myself and my children. The police would be fully and completely OK with shooting a charging aggressive dog. There is ABSOLUTELY no need to wait until he is chewing on you or a loved one.

    Also let's not pretend breed reputation isn't in play here. This isn't a Shitzu running at you (even though they can be plenty nasty) it's a "shark with legs".

    It is the owners job to keep his dog safe and it is my job to keep my family safe. I don't need to wait until I or one of my kids gets bitten to defend them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luis50 View Post
    Most dogs can easily be convinced to change their minds without a shot being fired. Pepper spray, running at them aggressively and loudly with whatever is in your hands are one of several effective ways to stop an attack. I've used these myself many times.

    I've seen trained protection/police dog prospects run from a man making a racket with a garbage bag.

    On a slightly different topic, some of the same fears and phobias we have of certain breeds of dogs is why breed specific legislation exsists today...so much so that some breeds are banned in certain areas of the country. Sound familiar? Not placing the blame where it should be?

    I do my very best not to punish dogs because of their incompetent owners. A gun is the very last option for me.
    Its not about punishing dogs, its about the children that could get killed. Im a dog lover, I have three wonderful animals. You are right about the owners, but what we do not know could get the Kids killed. Killing the dog is what will happen if my babies are around.
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    I can't speak dog. I don't know if his bark is friendly or ferocious.

    I will not compare the life of a dog with that of a person.

    I'd shot it.
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    As with most situations, people will pretty much react based training, experience and best judgement. What that reaction will be will vary with the individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luis50 View Post
    Most dogs can easily be convinced to change their minds without a shot being fired. Pepper spray, running at them aggressively and loudly with whatever is in your hands are one of several effective ways to stop an attack. I've used these myself many times.

    I've seen trained protection/police dog prospects run from a man making a racket with a garbage bag.

    On a slightly different topic, some of the same fears and phobias we have of certain breeds of dogs is why breed specific legislation exsists today...so much so that some breeds are banned in certain areas of the country. Sound familiar? Not placing the blame where it should be?

    I do my very best not to punish dogs because of their incompetent owners. A gun is the very last option for me.
    Good post, Luis.
    We all know the damage a pit or bully type dog can do. They are villified every week and the stories die hard. Much harder than if it were another breed, whose stories rarely make the papers. Some people treat pit bulls like some people treat evil black guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAcanis View Post
    Good post, Luis.
    We all know the damage a pit or bully type dog can do. They are villified every week and the stories die hard. Much harder than if it were another breed, whose stories rarely make the papers. Some people treat pit bulls like some people treat evil black guns.
    That's because, while guns are inanimate objects and can't hurt anyone on their own, pit bulls can and do hurt people all of the time in spite of their owners intentions. I have never had a gun break out of my house and attack my neighbors kids. Plenty of pit bulls (and other breeds) have done just that.
    It is surely true that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Nor can you make them grateful for your efforts.

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    It is the owners job to keep his dog safe and it is my job to keep my family safe. I don't need to wait until I or one of my kids gets bitten to defend them.
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    Why is it that many animal lovers think it is the responsibility of others to train themselves on how to handle other peoples animals? If my animal gets loose and runs at you it is not wanting to bite you it just wants attention. However if you do not realize this and take whatever action you feel is necessary to protect yourself I will not criticize you.
    I do not expect others to take self-defense courses or to learn animal psychology in order to understand my pet means them no harm. I'm sorry but the owner is responsible for the training not the general public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    As with most situations, people will pretty much react based training, experience and best judgement. What that reaction will be will vary with the individual.
    +1

    Options to deadly force when walking with or without a dog. If needed all the impact weapons can be used to inflict deadly force.

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    Last edited by Old School; March 14th, 2011 at 10:59 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    That's because, while guns are inanimate objects and can't hurt anyone on their own, pit bulls can and do hurt people all of the time in spite of their owners intentions. I have never had a gun break out of my house and attack my neighbors kids. Plenty of pit bulls (and other breeds) have done just that.
    I think you missed my point, timmy. My point, and I believe Luis', was in regards to breed specific legislation. It's just as bad as the bills being introduced/passed on limiting certain firearms.

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    I have over 40yrs with this breed; (as a rescuer and rehabilitation specialist). Most of the time they're just curious and nothing will happen. (They are among the MOST people friendly breeds out there.) Unfortunately, the thugs/trash of America have dishonored and done significant harm to these dogs.

    The OP did the correct thing. The one thing you do NOT want to do is run! I also think pepper spray is a could idea. It wil stop unwanted curiosity without killing an otherwise GOOD dog. It can also stop an outright aggressive attack; WITHOUT killing the dog or risking death and injury of innocents.

    I currently have two APBTs that I rescued. If they happen to get loose and come charging at you, it's most likely to invite you to play. But, you may want to look behind you because they may be after a THREAT that you may not know about.

    Just last night, my wife was out in the back yard while our male did his business. When suddenly, he came at full run "with blood in his eyes" and harmful intent on his heart. He flew past my wife, went through the trees and stopped at our fenceline; barking & drowling with extreme ferocity. It turned out that a Coyote was sneaking up to our fence unbeknownst to my wife. (probably after our chickens) But he saw it hiding in the woods, in the dark from 50yds away.


    My neighbor on the other hand has a pitbull mix that he's raising "THUG" style. It constantly lunges, barks and growls on it's chain like it will KILL anyone that gets close enough. A couple of days ago it broke it's chain and came after my 11yo son. My son turned and faced it, gave it a quick YELL and rebuke as he stomped his foot AND It immediately turned and ran back into it's dog house.

    (I am watching my neighbor and their dog closely and I'm afraid I'm going to have to report him for animal cruelty.)

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