This is a discussion on Yesterday Car Situation within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Two of my 3 vehicles are 60s Bugs. When not driving one of them, I drive a 4 door 4x4 Chevy with camper shell. I ...
Two of my 3 vehicles are 60s Bugs. When not driving one of them, I drive a 4 door 4x4 Chevy with camper shell. I will not be ramming people with my VWs, but they best not be beating on them either. I go from happy hippy to "bang, bang, thump, 'stop'" in 1.2 seconds.
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All i know now is good for future experience and I am glad he did not get through the window.
I would have revved up to my ignition cut and dumped the clutch, spewing chunks of rubber dust and smoke as I do a 4 wheel burnout the heck outta there. Hahahha, nah, but I would have just drove off, red light or not, if I was first in line. I wouldn't draw unless he broke the window or was successful in dragging me out of the car. Even so, I may just fight back with fists if no weapon was present.
Thanks...I've free hand painted everything on her...including the Hendrix Monterey Pop Festival guitar. Homemade seat covers made of Mexican saltillo blankets and homemade wooden door panels with old tin signs mounted on them as inserts. I've still got a long way to go, but all I've got is time and paint and a head full of ideas.
Know Guns, Know Safety, Know Peace.
No Guns, No Safety, No Peace.
And, those are both absolutely beautiful; I like the white one for being clean and 'polished', but I think I like Ruby's personality better.
"Gun control should mean hitting your target every time."
Please try to remember- I have a very dry sense of humor. It usually sounds mean, but isn't meant to be.
Doesn't Arizona have the Castle Doctrine in place? If so, your car is your "home" and you have no obligation to retreat (had you had your gun). If he breaks the window, that is justification for use of force.
While this BG doesn't have a firearm...he certainly has weapons--hands, head, teeth...etc. If the OP's situation was like mine, trapped in between cars, with nowhere to go, then you are stuck. There is no fighting "fair" from a seated position--the BG has the leverage--you as the driver DO NOT...you're trying to fight someone 90 degrees to your left (often your weak-side)...there NO WAY to defend yourself hand-to-hand.
Pepper spray? In an enclosed environment? You're gassing yourself at this point...
I say, draw, command--if he proceeds to break through your window, lean right, point shoot COM, scan, breath, re-assess, call 911
If he doesn't break through--call 911, move to another location to meet LEOs.
Magazine <> clip - know the difference
martyr is a fancy name for crappy fighter
You have never lived until you have almost died. For those that have fought for it, life has a special flavor the protected will never know
I'm not sure that you can shoot the guy if he is unarmed!!! If he breaks through the glass and assaults you...well then it could possibly be a carjacking and how are you not to believe this...if you shot the guy. There would have been witnesses I'm assuming. Personally, tkruf got it right. You should always have a small canister of pepper spray (I keep it on the sun-visor) in your car. I keep my driver's window cracked about 1/2 in-enough to let air in and would mace the BG. Keep in mind if your glass is partially down-and not fully up as in your case-and the BG beats on it, the top is weak point and might break if he bends it inward enough or hits it with keys or something. Always when coming up in traffic, leave about a car length between the other vehicles. You should be able to clearly "see" the rear end differential axle of the car in front. This gives you enough reaction time and distance to turn left/right and go around it if in danger, the car in front reverses/rams you or a car tries to rear-end you. If you spin the wheel hard and floor it, it should be just enough wiggle room to get by and out of there. I don't like to get "boxed in" inside those middle lanes and if approaching a stop, try to get either left or far right where there is an open lane. You got lucky. Had this happen once when picked a friend up at a bad location-a BG followed him out and proceeded to try and beat my side glasses so hard they bowed inward on the old 79 Chevy. Luckily for me he had played rock, paper, sissors before and really backed up when the claw hammer came out-just enough room to hop in and scoot out of there. Even if they are the aggressor, not a good idea to get involved with a crazy BG like this. He might pull a knife, a gun or whatever. Working bar clubs as a bouncer you honestly wouldn't believe the size of some knives a person can hide on their body. Obviously he has mistaken you for someone else. This thing happened to my cousin once and the guy was lucky enough to grab his shirtfront, but unlucky in respect that a 72 Cadillac Coup Deville has very strong window motors. He rolled the BG up, drove him running out to the highway and while making the right turn, rolled the window down...rolled the guy all the way across the intersection. Unfortunately for him cuz has a temper. Authority figures next day sorted it out and he realized cuz was the wrong person and could have probably killed him....and that was at the high school...
Good advice so far. Another motorist may have called the police about this incident and gave them the ragers plate number, did you report this? How about taking a picture of him (in action) with your cell phone?
This thread made me think about this you tube from the past. (language)
YouTube - Road Rage Knock Out Punch
Helpful hints on pushing back and strengthening the 2A:
i'm not sure when you could catch me w/o my gun(s) but, had this been me i'm dumb enough to get out of my truck and slap him around a bit, don't mess with my dog, wife, kids or my truck
I would have been calling 911 as soon as he started beating on my vehicle and at the same time unholstering my 1911,even tho the OP doesn't carry 24/7 I do except where it is Illegal for me to do so,I will never be able to tell when I may or may not need a firearm.IIRC Arizona passed a law that allows you to carry without a license.
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