Bear kills your dog in your yard, would you...
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June 5th, 2011 07:32 AM
I have worked in Avon Ct. real high end neighborhood, I can't even afford to pay the yearly taxes on a house their. You pop the bear in that town it will not go well for you. Then what do you do with the two young cubs she had with her? The dog is dead & now you may loose your guns? I think not.
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June 5th, 2011 07:32 AM
June 5th, 2011 04:36 PM
Originally Posted by JAT40
I didn't kill the bear because he killed my dog... I killed the bear because it was a threat to me! He made aggressive movements towards me, after he killed my dog. Or as I tried to stop him from killing my dog. That's my story.
I do have the right to protect myself from aggressive wildlife actively threatening me at the time I shot it!
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
June 5th, 2011 08:39 PM
I don't want to be your dog either.
Originally Posted by JAT40
June 6th, 2011 04:01 AM
I know my dogs would be there for me and I will be there for them. If I lived where we might encounter a bear, I'd have to upgrade my every day carry to something better suited for bears. There is NO question whether or not I'd shoot.
Fortunately, living in redneck country, shooting aggressive animals is hardly cause for uproar and yes, I'm well versed in the three S's
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June 6th, 2011 04:01 AM
Send my Ex out to sacrifice herself for the dog. That would be enough to scare the bear.
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June 6th, 2011 08:12 AM
Y'all are missing the fact that the bear had cubs.
A shot or two is not going to scare it away, it will stand firm or attack because it percieves YOU as the threat.
Everyone that hunts knows that a bear with cubs is bad news.
If the cubs are within sight, you are going to have to kill the bear.
That bear will protect its cubs. Unfortunately, if it sees a dog or a human within vision of its cubs, there usually will be a confrontation.Thats the way bears with cubs are.
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June 6th, 2011 09:58 AM
People in other parts of the U.S. may not understand the situation here in the Northeast.
Originally Posted by Old School
In states like CT and my own New Jersey...the bear population is exploding.
Due to poor wildlife management and a cottage industry of 'save the bear' types, bear are increasingly moving into highly populated areas.
Just this past spring we had 2 bear in our yard (one was very large), and we live in town and are surrounded by homes and busy streets.
And these bear were completely unafraid...a recipe for trouble.
Only in the past 2 years with Gov. Christie's election has the bear hunt resumed. (But Christie is no Second Ammendment supporter.)
All this simply to say that you shouldn't lose any sleep over a few nuisance bear needing a quick trip to 'the happy hunting grounds'.
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June 6th, 2011 10:02 AM
I'd fire off every round I had and then use my .45acp as a hammer if need be. She's our pride n' joy.. even brought me and the fiancee a rabbit I shot yesterday (fiancee was not so impressed)
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June 6th, 2011 10:19 AM
My dog is family- you attack my dog, you might as well attack me. The response is the same; draw, safety off... you get the idea.
She is beautiful. But, I have to ask; is that your rifle, or hers? ....You just have to stand back and let her handle the bear.
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June 6th, 2011 10:59 AM
One small change to this... Dog to Vet, bear meat to grill, rest of bear to taxidermist.
Originally Posted by NC Bullseye
"My God David, We're a Civilized society."
"Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the **** out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."
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June 6th, 2011 11:47 AM
I'm fully aware of that but it doesn't change the situation at all. If I'm going to shoot at it I'm shooting to take it down. If it attacked my dog and I shot at it and it started running away, I'm running after it until one of us is dead. No rambo crap but that's how much my dog is family to me.
Originally Posted by HotGuns
Originally Posted by RevolvingMag
Of coarse that's her rifle, she like to shoot squirrel with that marlin .22
That's a marlin papoose, break down backpacking rifle, it's great. I recently took off that terrible Bushnell scope and replaced it with a redfield 3-9x, great for long hiking trips (which we were on in that picture). The barrel comes off and I can fit it in my backpack.
Vermont does not issue Permit/Licenses to Carry a Concealed firearm. Vermont allows anyone
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June 6th, 2011 11:56 AM
I think instead of "shoot, shovel and shut up, it would be more like shoot, BBQ and taxidermist...I've always wanted a bear "rug"
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June 6th, 2011 12:04 PM
Chance to save the dog, I'd be taking the shot, or at least firing a shot to try to scare it off (I know of at least one incident involving a dog walker and two dogs stumbling across a bear with 2 cubs where a warning shot successfully sent mama and babies packing), but shooting the bear if forced. Unfortunately, last time I checked, local laws allow for the protection of livestock, but NOT pets...but at least in my area I wouldn't expect the death threats that I saw take place in California when someone's dog treed a mountain lion (near a schoolyard).
June 6th, 2011 12:22 PM
I look at this from a little different perspective. To all of those who feel thier dogs are part of the family, I have no problem with that.
I like my dogs, but they are afterall, dogs. Based on the story and the dog described, I think I would get a smarter dog. I have never been much on Cocker Spaniels, as most of them I have ever seen just weren't my idea of the ideal dog. If we still had the one in our avatar, (we had to put him down at 13 due to cancer) I don't think I would have too much to worry about. Not that he would have taken out the bear, but he was one of the smartest canids I have ever known, it might have been the wolf in him I don't know.
The two we have now, well one is getting older and slower, but she is smart enough to stay away from a bear I believe. The younger one, well he still thinks he is bullet proof, hopefully he would be smart or fast enough to stay out of the bears clutches. However, if they did happen to get caught by the bear, I am not so sure I would shoot the bear. (granted, we don't have that problem in East Texas, well not yet).
But the fact remains that the bear was doing what the bear is supposed to do, protect her young. I can't fault the bear for that. My dogs would hopefully do what they are supposed to do and warn me of something that isn't right. That is their job, my job as pack leader is to assess the situation and handle it accordingly. If I saw a bear, my job would be to get the dogs beside me, and make sure that they were safe. I don't have bear hunting dogs. If I did, that might be a different scenario. If the dogs went beyond their job of watching out and warning, and decided to take on the bear, well just because my dog made a bad choice doesn't mean that I have to kill the bear.
Yea, I know my wife thinks I am a heartless b....ard as well, but like I said, they are dogs, they have a job and a place in our family but it isn't on the same level as the people. If you are going to live in an area where there might be threats to your pets, pick your pets accordingly.
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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June 6th, 2011 02:59 PM
I would fire some warning shots. If it didn't deter the bear, I would grab the 12 gauge slugs. Even if I came outside and the dog was dead, I would drop the bear for "doing what it does". What it did was personal, and a threat to myself and my animals or family. I don't live in bear country, though. I would have to go a few miles north before that became a factor. Honestly, I don't understand the issue, here. If some raccoons came in your yard and were harassing your animals, would anyone think twice about putting them down? How about a rattlesnake? A coyote?
For some I would fire a warning shot. For others, I would just off the nuisance animal on the spot.
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