Armed robbery of Subway (SC)

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    Armed robbery of Subway (SC)

    Would have been an easy shot if the clerk had been armed.

    ROCK HILL | Gunman robs Rock Hill Subway restaurant | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC

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    he voted for change and now he just wantin his from a Franklin or a Grant...
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    Oh yeah, had the clerk been armed with some training, he could have easily ended this dirtbag's night of 'easy money'...he (the dirtbag) was careless and did not keep an eye on the victim.
    When going back to pick up dropped bills, he should have been able to pick up some 'loose lead', too.
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    Another case of income redistribution without lead distribution.
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    I like the way he held the gun sideways..."GANGSTA" style! Dirt bag!!!
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    That 'great video' would have consoled that kids' family so much if the guy had put a round in his head.

    But, on a brighter note; at least the BG has sense enough to NOT carry chambered without a proper holster...
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    I think the clerk did exactly what he should of done. He's a [near] minimum-wage worker in a fast food joint that doesn't get paid to disarm/defend against criminals. Best case scenario is the bg gets shot (or cut w/ subway's gigantic bread knife), clerk gets fired. Worse case, clerk tries to do what he can, gets shot, if he lives....gets fired, else, family has to pay funeral bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangevol View Post
    I like the way he held the gun sideways..."GANGSTA" style! Dirt bag!!!
    I noticed this as well. The thing the "gangstas" don't know is that not only is it very inaccurate to shoot a handgun like this, but it also makes it much easier to take it away from them. In our Aikido class, we practice taking guns away from people. In this case, if we were standing in front of this guy, we'd use our right hand with our palm facing right, to grab his gun and twist his wrist clockwise. Well, that is the first thing we do, followed very quickly by several other steps. The twisting of the wrist is the key element, though. The great thing about the "gangsta" style of holding a gun is that their wrist is already twisted inwards 90 degrees. This gives us an enormous advantage because now we only have to twist his wrist just barely in order to incapacitate him arm. But if a person is holding a gun correctly, we have to twist a lot harder and further.

    Of course, if he were to be holding the gun the "correct" way with two hands then it would be much more difficult to take it away. In fact, so much that I probably wouldn't even attempt it unless I thought my life depended on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostRed7 View Post
    I think the clerk did exactly what he should of done. He's a [near] minimum-wage worker in a fast food joint that doesn't get paid to disarm/defend against criminals. Best case scenario is the bg gets shot (or cut w/ subway's gigantic bread knife), clerk gets fired. Worse case, clerk tries to do what he can, gets shot, if he lives....gets fired, else, family has to pay funeral bills.
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    While it doesn't always work....still less of a chance of harm vs. wrestling with someone that's armed when you're not. My response is based on my belief that the clerk had no training....not saying it's what **I** would do. If it were me.....ya...dude would be disarmed at a minimum. Then again....i'd be the guy that'd say "screw the rules...hired me to serve the public...guess what, you hired my sidearm as part of the package."

    This is why i CC while at work....and I work amongst cubes/computer nerds (self included)...but have also seen SWAT called into a similar environment due to a "let go" employee before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adric22 View Post
    I noticed this as well. The thing the "gangstas" don't know is that not only is it very inaccurate to shoot a handgun like this, but it also makes it much easier to take it away from them. In our Aikido class, we practice taking guns away from people. In this case, if we were standing in front of this guy, we'd use our right hand with our palm facing right, to grab his gun and twist his wrist clockwise. Well, that is the first thing we do, followed very quickly by several other steps. The twisting of the wrist is the key element, though. The great thing about the "gangsta" style of holding a gun is that their wrist is already twisted inwards 90 degrees. This gives us an enormous advantage because now we only have to twist his wrist just barely in order to incapacitate him arm. But if a person is holding a gun correctly, we have to twist a lot harder and further.

    Of course, if he were to be holding the gun the "correct" way with two hands then it would be much more difficult to take it away. In fact, so much that I probably wouldn't even attempt it unless I thought my life depended on it.
    There's too much counter between you and the BG to do the gun grab, at least initially, especially in the "prep" area. Young man behind the counter may not be old enough to get a permit. So, shooting the BG may not be an option, and drawing against the drop (DATD) is risky business anyway. That said, your life depends on it anytime someone pulls a weapon on you.

    This guy knows how to DATD even across a counter space... He's been shot, but survived, the bad guys never did.

    It could be worse.
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